First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  Next  Last
AR15 stops Three baddies in home invasion
Posted 3/27/17 , edited 3/28/17
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/27/homeowners-son-shoots-kills-three-would-be-burglars.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/oklahoma-three-dead-home-burglary/


Imagine what would have happened to the kid if he wasn't properly armed.
The get away driver is being charged with three counts of murder since she turned herself in.
Ejanss 
16831 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 3/27/17 , edited 3/28/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:
Imagine what would have happened to the kid if he wasn't properly armed.


Y'know, it's even funnier when you read that in an "ironic" voice?

(Although everyone knows, you use a Daisy Red Ryder BB Rifle with the built-in compass to protect your mom and dad from burglars...)
1792 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / Spokane, Washingt...
Offline
Posted 3/27/17 , edited 3/28/17
And they deserve it too. Too bad I'm too broke for a gun, I would love to have a replica M1 carbine, or some other lightweight semi auto carbine for home defense purposes.
36289 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
38 / F / Seireitei, Soul S...
Online
Posted 3/27/17 , edited 3/29/17
First of all, I'm thinking that this is possibly fake news, at least to the extent that three people were killed here. FOX News and CNN aren't exactly reliable news sources anymore, and the FOX article says that the homeowner's son who shot the burglars is 19 while the CNN one says that he's 23, so there are some discrepancies in the two article's stories. Also, where does it say that the getaway driver woman is being charged with murder? Neither article you linked states that, just the CNN one says that she turned herself in. Also, why the fuck would she be charged with three counts of murder when she didn't even do anything to cause it? I mean, sure, she was the getaway driver, but unless they were still alive and running for the car and she took off without them, then there was nothing that she could have done. She probably would have gotten killed herself if she had stayed around, so I don't blame her for leaving.

Also, I'm all for protecting your own home and family, but did he really have to kill all three of them? I'm sorry, but there are other ways to take people down with a gun without having to kill them. You never know if they could have been reformed or anything like that. Seems like they were really young, and if they had survived and turned their lives around, they could have possibly done some good in the World.
767 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/28/17

BlackRose0607 wrote:

First of all, I'm thinking that this is possibly fake news, at least to the extent that three people were killed here. FOX News and CNN aren't exactly reliable news sources anymore, and the FOX article says that the homeowner's son who shot the burglars is 19 while the CNN one says that he's 23, so there are some discrepancies in the two article's stories. Also, where does it say that the getaway driver woman is being charged with murder? Neither article you linked states that, just the CNN one says that she turned herself in. Also, why the fuck would she be charged with three counts of murder when she didn't even do anything to cause it? I mean, sure, she was the getaway driver, but unless they were still alive and running for the car and she took off without them, then there was nothing that she could have done. She probably would have gotten killed herself if she had stayed around, so I don't blame her for leaving.

Also, I'm all for protecting your own home and family, but did he really have to kill all three of them? I'm sorry, but there are other ways to take people down with a gun without having to kill them. You never know if they could have been reformed or anything like that. Seems like they were really young, and if they had survived and turned their lives around, they could have possibly done some good in the World.


If you follow the link from the Fox site it says:

Wagoner County investigators interviewed her at the police department and subsequently arrested her on complaints of three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of first-degree burglary.
but even still, I don't see how that charge makes sense at all if there was no murder that took place since it was, most likely, self defense. Three counts of burglary doesn't even make sense to me. One count maybe but three? As just the getaway driver? Seems like there are some things missing from this story at least.
51656 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
36 / M
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/28/17
Like perhaps it was a scheme between her and the homeowner's son to kill the three others. That would be the ONLY case where she could be charged with 3 counts of first degree murder. You know, since first degree murder means there was explicit intent to kill the victims beforehand. If it was truly a burglary and the burglars were killed, I doubt she could be charged as anything but as an accomplice to burglary and maybe criminal trespass. Oh and let's not forget that since nothing was actually stolen it would be Attempted Burglary. Articles reek of fake news.
83778 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
40 / M
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/28/17

MadBovine wrote:

Like perhaps it was a scheme between her and the homeowner's son to kill the three others. That would be the ONLY case where she could be charged with 3 counts of first degree murder. You know, since first degree murder means there was explicit intent to kill the victims beforehand. If it was truly a burglary and the burglars were killed, I doubt she could be charged as anything but as an accomplice to burglary and maybe criminal trespass. Oh and let's not forget that since nothing was actually stolen it would be Attempted Burglary. Articles reek of fake news.


Another possibility could be that she had outstanding warrants for unreleated crimes including the murders she was being charged with. If the story is legit, that is.
36289 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
38 / F / Seireitei, Soul S...
Online
Posted 3/28/17

EichiXIII wrote:
If you follow the link from the Fox site it says:

Wagoner County investigators interviewed her at the police department and subsequently arrested her on complaints of three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of first-degree burglary.
but even still, I don't see how that charge makes sense at all if there was no murder that took place since it was, most likely, self defense. Three counts of burglary doesn't even make sense to me. One count maybe but three? As just the getaway driver? Seems like there are some things missing from this story at least.


Thanks. I didn't notice that link at the bottom of the article, just read the two links that Amyas posted in his opening post. Would have been nice if he had posted that link too. And yeah, the charges don't make sense right now. Not enough information about the story yet I'm guessing.


MadBovine wrote:

Like perhaps it was a scheme between her and the homeowner's son to kill the three others. That would be the ONLY case where she could be charged with 3 counts of first degree murder. You know, since first degree murder means there was explicit intent to kill the victims beforehand. If it was truly a burglary and the burglars were killed, I doubt she could be charged as anything but as an accomplice to burglary and maybe criminal trespass. Oh and let's not forget that since nothing was actually stolen it would be Attempted Burglary. Articles reek of fake news.


Hmmmm, that is a possibility for what actually happened and what it's really all about. Not enough details about the story and what really happened yet to be able to tell though. We'll see what happens with the story as more information comes about.
4029 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/28/17
Well the real question is: were the burglars were armed or not? Since that isn't known I will withhold judgement on the guy who shot them, but it does seem somewhat excessive given that he apparently talked to them before firing.
Oh and the murder charge is right. This is a felony, and certain states can and will charge people for murder if the crime is a felony and leads to death. Sometimes there's an acquittal of the charge, but not necessarily. That's a little insane in this case, but it's the US, so who knows what will happen. For an example: see the link https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/09/24/a-person-can-be-charged-with-murder-even-if-they-haven-t-killed-anyone#.nhotoMSKs here.
29778 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / Bundaberg, Queens...
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/29/17
Kid probably would of been unharmed.
Unless they were armed or attackjng the kid it's disgusting they were killed breaking the law or not.

....Americans *sigh*
29778 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / Bundaberg, Queens...
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/28/17

Lance_Clemings wrote:

And they deserve it too. Too bad I'm too broke for a gun, I would love to have a replica M1 carbine, or some other lightweight semi auto carbine for home defense purposes.


Stealing doesn't deserve death
14725 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27 / M / Houma
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/28/17

BlackRose0607 wrote:

I'm sorry, but there are other ways to take people down with a gun without having to kill them.


Any gunshot wound capable of dropping the blood pressure enough to incapacitate is likely to be fatal. Crippling wounds to the legs are also likely to sever a major artery. Additionally if you fail to incapacitate them you will leave an opening for return fire. In any situation perceived severe enough to squeeze the trigger you should always do so with the intent to kill.

If less lethal take-downs are desired a firearm is not the way to go.
1792 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / Spokane, Washingt...
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/28/17

Ryulightorb wrote:


Lance_Clemings wrote:

And they deserve it too. Too bad I'm too broke for a gun, I would love to have a replica M1 carbine, or some other lightweight semi auto carbine for home defense purposes.


Stealing doesn't deserve death


Problem is, your assuming I even care about the rights of people who wronged me first. But your are still kind of right, death is too harsh. At least instant death. I'll be sure to count to 5 or see them draw a weapon before I attack. Most smart people would stop what they are doing and turn tail if someone with a gun is telling them to leave.
36289 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
38 / F / Seireitei, Soul S...
Online
Posted 3/28/17

GreatLordBalzak wrote:


BlackRose0607 wrote:

I'm sorry, but there are other ways to take people down with a gun without having to kill them.


Any gunshot wound capable of dropping the blood pressure enough to incapacitate is likely to be fatal. Crippling wounds to the legs are also likely to sever a major artery. Additionally if you fail to incapacitate them you will leave an opening for return fire. In any situation perceived severe enough to squeeze the trigger you should always do so with the intent to kill.

If less lethal take-downs are desired a firearm is not the way to go.


Then why are police and other law officers taught to make a non-fatal shot unless it's a life or death situation to take down perpetrators? If you aim right you can incapacitate someone without causing a life threatening wound. Also, there would be time to get them medical attention so that they didn't die if you shot them like that instead. And in this story I highly doubt that the guy who shot them would have missed if he had shot to incapacitate instead of kill, unless he was just shooting all over the place at them. Seems like there's more to the story than what we know so far.
29778 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / Bundaberg, Queens...
Offline
Posted 3/28/17 , edited 3/29/17

Lance_Clemings wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


Lance_Clemings wrote:

And they deserve it too. Too bad I'm too broke for a gun, I would love to have a replica M1 carbine, or some other lightweight semi auto carbine for home defense purposes.


Stealing doesn't deserve death


Problem is, your assuming I even care about the rights of people who wronged me first. But your are still kind of right, death is too harsh. At least instant death. I'll be sure to count to 5 or see them draw a weapon before I attack. Most smart people would stop what they are doing and turn tail if someone with a gun is telling them to leave.


Well yes if they don't leave and come at you or are armed then fire away.
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.