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Then why are police and other law officers taught to make a non-fatal shot unless it's a life or death situation to take down perpetrators? If you aim right you can incapacitate someone without causing a life threatening wound. Also, there would be time to get them medical attention so that they didn't die if you shot them like that instead. And in this story I highly doubt that the guy who shot them would have missed if he had shot to incapacitate instead of kill, unless he was just shooting all over the place at them. Seems like there's more to the story than what we know so far.


Patently ridiculous. Police (and civilians, in self-defense firearms courses) are taught to fire center mass until the threat is neutralized (IE, ceases offensive action or is incapable of violence). This means shooting essentially at the sternum, around stomach/ lungs/ heat. You just aim where you are least likely to miss. As pointed out earlier, if you're shooting at someone, it's because you're out of options and are ok with lethal force, *and* extremity hits are not only difficult, but easily just as lethal.


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Talk about overkill. No one else was armed with anything other than a knife. Properly armed = handgun, hunting rifle, or shotgun. I still smh that the GOP let the Brady bill die.


"Pistols and hunting rifles are fine for defense"?... nope. A pistol or hunting rifle *can* be used for self-defense, but is a patently less effective weapon, because they are harder to fire accurately (or accurately and quickly, if the first shot does not neutralize the threat). Besides that, if you kill someone with a pistol, are they any less dead?

Who cares that the violent criminals were "only" armed with knives? If someone stabs you dead, are you any less dead?
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Kool just deal with them trash once you broke in your on my turf and most likely i ain't going miss my shot.
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Moral of Story ? ? Do Not break into Peoples Homes... Do Not Steal unless YOU are READY to ACCEPT the CONSEQUENCES of YOUR ACTIONS...JEEEZE ! Not to Hard to figure Out People..
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BlackRose0607 wrote:

Then why are police and other law officers taught to make a non-fatal shot unless it's a life or death situation to take down perpetrators? If you aim right you can incapacitate someone without causing a life threatening wound. Also, there would be time to get them medical attention so that they didn't die if you shot them like that instead. And in this story I highly doubt that the guy who shot them would have missed if he had shot to incapacitate instead of kill, unless he was just shooting all over the place at them. Seems like there's more to the story than what we know so far.


I don't know where you get your police training information from, but I have never heard or read from anywhere that police are trained to fire non-lethally. I have always heard and read that police firearms training is to shoot center mass. It is not even about killing or not killing, it is about not missing your target and hitting unintended targets. Now, there are some police that carry tasers and the public generally considers them to be non-lethal, but even a taser can kill the target and they are not always practical for the situation.

Edit: The only thing I have seen before along that line is people without police or firearm training naively suggest that police should shoot targets non-lethally.
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You can use a smaller gun than an AR to properly apprehend someone in a situation like this, just fuckin' saying.

I literally usually don't give that much of a fuck about people and their firearms, but the way assault rifles have done more harm than good has definitely made me change my stance on them. You don't need something that's used in a combative military setting (to murder massive amounts of people by the way!!) when there're perfectly suitable hunting rifles, shotguns, and god forbid, handguns out there.

And no, I don't care about your idiocies of wanting to tote that thing around in the grocery store either.
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You can use a smaller gun than an AR to properly apprehend someone in a situation like this, just fuckin' saying.

I literally usually don't give that much of a fuck about people and their firearms, but the way assault rifles have done more harm than good has definitely made me change my stance on them. You don't need something that's used in a combative military setting (to murder massive amounts of people by the way!!) when there're perfectly suitable hunting rifles, shotguns, and god forbid, handguns out there.

And no, I don't care about your idiocies of wanting to tote that thing around in the grocery store either.


>The AR-15 is not an Assault rifle, it is a semi-automatic rifle.
>You make it sound like all militaries murder people (of which, not all do)
>It's an American right to own guns, be it a shotgun, hunting rifle (just another name for a sniper rifle) and pistols.
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You can use a smaller gun than an AR to properly apprehend someone in a situation like this, just fuckin' saying.

I literally usually don't give that much of a fuck about people and their firearms, but the way assault rifles have done more harm than good has definitely made me change my stance on them. You don't need something that's used in a combative military setting (to murder massive amounts of people by the way!!) when there're perfectly suitable hunting rifles, shotguns, and god forbid, handguns out there.

And no, I don't care about your idiocies of wanting to tote that thing around in the grocery store either.


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Sure you can use a .22 and have to shoot the bad guy ten times while he's still charging you with a knife. Its a big risk though. Now a .22lr full auto submachine gun might be fun to use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x1uueWols4

In what way have 'assault rifles' (the gun used to kill the burglars was not an 'assault rifle') done more harm than good? I don't think full auto assault weapons get used very much in violent crimes in the US.
I agree with you on people taking long arms into grocery stores just to make a political statement. OC demonstrations are fine, taking your tacticooled AR and airsoft vest to pick up milk makes you look stupid

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And they deserve it too. Too bad I'm too broke for a gun, I would love to have a replica M1 carbine, or some other lightweight semi auto carbine for home defense purposes.


Stealing doesn't deserve death


Someone breaks into your house, it's fair game.
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It's a shame peoples deaths are being celebrated.


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Lance_Clemings wrote:

And they deserve it too. Too bad I'm too broke for a gun, I would love to have a replica M1 carbine, or some other lightweight semi auto carbine for home defense purposes.


Stealing doesn't deserve death


The problem lies in that they are strangers, who are operating in the middle of the night, whose goals are unknown, and who have already broken into your house. They could be armed, they could be not, who knows? It is not about what they "deserve", but the response to a possible threat to one's family and to themselves. This is one of those "shoot first, ask questions later" that clearly outlined in laws as having limits, sure, but also leeway.

I agree with the law for the most part. If the circumstances known to the home owner can justify their belief that their life is in danger, they can shoot, versus going after a robber and shooting them in a back.

I think it is better to kill people before they can possibly kill you, when they are more than able to do you harm, and appear to have a sinister agenda. No one wants a repeat of the Harvey Family case.
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If someone did this where I lived when I was in the usa I would do the same thing and I have told my parents back when I was living with them that if someone broke in and I was home and they where gone I would use any and all means to defend my stuff and self. Back when I was living with my parents I made improvised weapons in case it happened including my beat stick.
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Some people seem to care overly for people who cause other people harm and the possibility of death.

It's like their brother or sister is criminal who has been in jail most their life and they sympathize with them and think it's okay for them to do this crap.

Follow the correct path guys. When someone breaks into your house, they are forfeiting their life. Doesn't matter if they are armed or not.

Doesn't matter if the person made a mistake breaking in to your house. Don't make the mistake being kind and getting yourself or your family possibly killed. They have already done 1 crime to you, why would you think they wouldn't do another?
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Some people seem to care overly for people who cause other people harm and the possibility of death.

It's like their brother or sister is criminal who has been in jail most their life and they sympathize with them and think it's okay for them to do this crap.

Follow the correct path guys. When someone breaks into your house, they are forfeiting their life. Doesn't matter if they are armed or not.

Doesn't matter if the person made a mistake breaking in to your house. Don't make the mistake being kind and getting yourself or your family possibly killed. They have already done 1 crime to you, why would you think they wouldn't do another?



criminals have more rights than the law abiding citizens now a day

like the case a couple of months ago where some punk was shot during a robbery at a local pharmacy.. the family of the robber demanded an apology from the person who shot their son


i worked for the US census bureau for a few months way back.. and i can see how protective some owners can be with their family/property.. a house is the largest purchase in a person's life after all

there were cases of people who lost their job and then their house because of the robbers stole/damaged things that they needed for work.. the money they stole can be the mortgage/student loan/car etc.. payment without it the owner might default on their house/car/student loan etc..

these criminals don't think about the financial ruin they will leave their victims in before committing the robbery...

so i have no sympathy for the scumbags who think they have the right rob another person without consequences ..when they are breaking into someone's house they understand the risks

it can go both ways during a robbery and there's no way to tell what the robbers will do after breaking into another person's house

i don't have any AR15 in this house-- since personally for home defense I'll stick with a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot

*sample pic from the net



around here home invasion is pretty common..

Phoenix home invasion suspects caught on camera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKv__oq82rc

Buckeye home invasion suspect shot by deputies after pursuit ends in west Valley desert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYPEMfALKJI

Woman escapes after home invasion, kidnapping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-TLJIIlUYI

Two pose as delivery men as ruse in home invasion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujWCaZh0TSQ

Suspect shot, killed in PHX home invasion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27b-0zOEtU
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http://www.fox23.com/news/three-killed-in-wagoner-county-shooting/506461840
Updates to the story
-homeowner's son that shot the suspects was 23 not 19

Rodriguez reportedly knew of the home before the incident. A witness reportedly told investigators that Rodriguez had told the other three suspects to burglarize the home while she waited in the driveway. She reportedly drove away when she heard gunshots.

Rodriguez faces 3 charges of murder and 3 charges of 1st degree burglary
Hopefully we have the identity of the suspects soon.
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They were just kids too. What a fucking needless waste of life.
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That is some profound legal bullshit to charge the driver with three counts of first degree murder and yeah, the details here are a mess. A number of the articles say the shooter actually talked to the burglars and some even say that both the shooter and his father were present. While others seem to say it was just the son who encountered them?



SandyNewt wrote:

It's a shame peoples deaths are being celebrated.


Indeed.
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