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Posted 4/1/17 , edited 4/1/17
So far I am limiting myself to CR and Funi. CR for the original version and Funi for the ADR version. That's 100 + 60 a year .

Amazon Prime is 100 + 60 for Anime Strike. I was Amazon Prime to but have to cancel, I don't need it anymore.

Daisuke homebase is Japan and I do hope they increase the size of their library or else they cant compete with CR.
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Posted 4/1/17 , edited 4/1/17

namealreadytaken wrote:

the claim is a bit unfair though, since you get Prime benefits in addition to anime strike.
many people choose to pay $100 / year for Prime because they find same day / 2 day shipping to be well worth the cost.
(in addition to other perks like Prime Music)

While one is getting more, what if all one wants (or can afford) is the anime?

This is a bit like holding a concert inside an amusement park, and requiring anyone wanting to attend to not only buy a concert ticket, but a season pass to the park.

Amazon could just as easily offer this at a slightly higher price for those that don't have Prime (i.e., $7 per month).

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Posted 4/1/17 , edited 4/1/17

TheAncientOne wrote:
Amazon could just as easily offer this at a slightly higher price for those that don't have Prime (i.e., $7 per month).


if Amazon really wanted to, they could do away with the geographic restrictions and let people watch anime for only $30 / year (what Amazon Japan offers), while offering more than CR / Funi. we can only dream though. :p
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Posted 4/2/17 , edited 4/2/17
I'll be that guy but nobody is forcing anyone to have to have all the subscriptions needed to watch all the series every season. I won't even bother looking at Amazon/Strike until they started getting more series per season as the extra cost wouldn't be worth it as I burn off series far faster now than sticking around with them.
And lets face it if Amazon threw a wad to buy CR nobody would be complaining unless they got aggressive in region blocking. Can't blame Sentai for getting with them as it was either wither away grabbing a few titles for distribution or find somebody to get into bed with once CR and Funi partnered up.
Cost wise you can get by on just Prime + Strike at 10.99+4.99 per month instead of carrying it as a yearly Prime sub + Strike ontop of that. So 48 per season for X amount of titles they carry/eventually will carry + everything else on Amazon Prime Video minus any other bundle channels. Just gotta pick your poison for what you want to watch.
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17
I'll admit, I'm mad.

With Scum's wish, I at least had the alternative of reading the manga. This season, Anime Strike snatched: Anonymous Noise, Sakurada Reset and Rage of Bahamut S2. And that's only the ones I was personally really hyped for. Even during a week-off, one week won't be enough to binge everything.

I'm perfectly happy to pay for Crunchyroll's premium; 7$ a month is nothing, they understand what anime fans want and I can use it on my game consoles. During a good season, I can have at least 30 hours of entertainment for half an hour of work. Funimation isn't quite as good, but it's still cheap, has a decent back catalogue.

To watch anime on Amazon, you're stuck with two paywall making it more expensive than the other two combined. And for that price you get less than a 10th of their library, with only a few being exclusives. Oh, and unlike Crunchyroll, there's no free alternative...and it's limited to the US.

People get upset when Netflix gets exclusive rights for a series, but they also have an extensive selection of shows/movies and only license shows that have mainstream appeal/look like good entry points. In other words, if you're not only using it for anime, it's still a good service.

Sooner or later, Amazon might get the message that people really don't wanna buy a Strike subscription and just go back to the model they had during Kabaneri. When even Crunchyroll social media people can't hide their rage that they have exclusive rights to a series and that Sentai announcing one of their licenses can only be watched on Strike is met with nothing but disappointment and not excitement, they should know they're doing something wrong.


And that's about as much as I'll vent for the time being.
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17
I'm a simple man, if something doesn't stream here on CR or Hulu then I'll won't watch it and probably never will be able to. CR is the only subscription I have and my little sister is generous enough to share her Hulu account with me. I don't pirate or go on fansub sites because my stubborn pride simply will not allow me to and I refuse to pay for another service especially when there are two paywalls. Even though I have very good paying job I still refuse to pay more than $60 (CR annual subscription is the plan I pay) for other streaming services.

Guys the only way to send a message to Amazon to f**k off is to not give them a penny. Simply don't pay for their service and stick with it even if they have couple of interesting shows. I get that Amazon is a business but their language is money and money talks. So here is my tasks for y'all even for those hardcore loyal otakus that must see every anime each season and who relentlessly splurge money on every legal anime outlet: Don't give them your business. I guess that means boycott Amazon in short. If enough or many people do that Amazon will surely notice and depending on how it goes Amazon will go back to acquiring less titles than this season or (hopefully but most likely won't happen) stop simulcasting. Hit em where it hurts.

If you simply can't do that and have to get your "must see everything" fix or resort to illegal means I won't stop you.

That's my two cents on the annoying Amazon problem.
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17

Le_Dom wrote:

Sooner or later, Amazon might get the message that people really don't wanna buy a Strike subscription and just go back to the model they had during Kabaneri. When even Crunchyroll social media people can't hide their rage that they have exclusive rights to a series and that Sentai announcing one of their licenses can only be watched on Strike is met with nothing but disappointment and not excitement, they should know they're doing something wrong.

Going back to that model would mean people would still need Prime. I'm hoping at some point, they'll make Anime Strike available as a stand-alone service, even if at a higher price point (i.e., $7 per month, while staying at $5 per month for Prime members).

I don't feel as strongly about Strike for a few reasons:

1. I already had Prime
2. I wait and watch series after they are completed, so I wouldn't even have to subscribe all the time.
3. They legally brought Nanoha StrikerS to the US for the first time ever, so they earned a lot of gratitude points from me.


Given some people's dissatisfaction with CR's recent weekend streaming crunches, if Amazon had made Strike a standalone service, we might have seen at least as many people cheering it as a possible alternative, rather than reviling it for locking up content behind a double paywall.

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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17
Ya it sucks to have multiple services to pay for, but I think this is a good problem for the industry to have. More competition usually helps industries grow and evolve, so I'm excited to see where things go from here. I think some of the smaller services like TAN and Daisuki will eventually phase out since they're not nearly as popular, but that'll take time. I find it weird that Hulu basically said "fuck it" and have basically given up on anime, I thought they were doing fine while they were experimenting but oh well. Anyways in the end, people are going to have to pick choices. Just like in the video game market or any other market really. You can make a balance, but even then you'll probably will only be able to stick with 2-3 services. For me the moment, that'd be CR/Funi and Netflix.

Anime Strike however, I think is the wrong direction and I hope it gets scrapped or rethought.


Le_Dom wrote:


Sooner or later, Amazon might get the message that people really don't wanna buy a Strike subscription and just go back to the model they had during Kabaneri. When even Crunchyroll social media people can't hide their rage that they have exclusive rights to a series and that Sentai announcing one of their licenses can only be watched on Strike is met with nothing but disappointment and not excitement, they should know they're doing something wrong.



TheAncientOne wrote:

Going back to that model would mean people would still need Prime. I'm hoping at some point, they'll make Anime Strike available as a stand-alone service, even if at a higher price point (i.e., $7 per month, while staying at $5 per month for Prime members).



I agree with both of you guys.... somewhat. To LeDom's point, I too do not understand why they thought their Kabaneri was not good enough. Amazon has so much fucking money it boggles my mind why they thought having people pay another $5 a month was a good idea besides exploiting a niche market and being completely fucking greedy. Amazon has the rights to the anime shows they stream, so there is no reason why they had to put the anime behind a channel. The Amazon Channels make sense for things like HBO and Showtime, those are separate entities making use of Amazon's service. Amazon with Anime Strike is taking their own titles and putting them behind a paywall. How is their anime category any different than any of their other categories that are included with Prime? I just think the whole idea is greedy business from an already rich company and it really frustrates me.

Now, I also can get behind The Ancient One with saying that they could offer it as a separate service where you wouldn't have to pay for Prime and that'd at least be better. But still, the whole anime strike idea is like if Netflix one day decided to have you pay $5 for Marvel movies on top of their subscription.
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17
I'm 100% in favor of competition; but when it comes to exclusives I can't help but get mad.
Companies lock shows in order to promote their channels, instead of competing with services quality...The only ones that get the short end of the stick it's us customers. Sure the anime studios might get more money due to the exclusives prices; but I wonder how much more, compared to selling rights to several companies. Also if the streaming websites start locking shows to their platforms, they will force people to chose who to sub for; since I hardly believe that most people are willing to pay for 2+ subscriptions for anime, considering there are so many other subs out there to pay for.
Amazon in particular is the worst offender. They sell an anime subscription that is mainly aimed to current customers, as a perk. I can't see it as something more than that, since there is a double pay wall.
I'm worried about future seasons; in terms of anime availability it seems like we are going backwards instead of advancing...
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17
Well Anime Strike isn't even available to Canada so I'm left with no (legal) way to watch any of their shows


Excuse me while I update some software that I have not used in a few years
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17
I have Prime and I'm not signing up for Anime Strike. There are two series I'd like to see but the rest of the new seasons, especially the Sentai stuff, is of little or no interest. I will say that I am watching Macross, Mospeada and Southern Cross, I haven't seen them in years. They're free with Prime and subbed. (It seems that a lot of Amazon anime is dub only, another negative.)

I wonder if Amazon is fronting Sentai on these acquisitions? These seem to have a lot more than usual.
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17

Greylurker wrote:

Well Anime Strike isn't even available to Canada so I'm left with no (legal) way to watch any of their shows


Excuse me while I update some software that I have not used in a few years


You don't need Anime Strike. Just a Prime membership gets you access to Anime on Prime Video in Canada. Anime Strike is just a way for Amazon to gouge American anime fans for more.
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17

rysto32 wrote:


Greylurker wrote:

Well Anime Strike isn't even available to Canada so I'm left with no (legal) way to watch any of their shows


Excuse me while I update some software that I have not used in a few years


You don't need Anime Strike. Just a Prime membership gets you access to Anime on Prime Video in Canada. Anime Strike is just a way for Amazon to gouge American anime fans for more.


Really? I knew Strike was only in the US but the only Amazon Prime Video I can find is Amazon.com's so I assumed anyone in Canada used Amazon.com and didn't have access to any Strike shows. If that's the case I might actually sub since I can get the student discount and there's a decent amount over there this season.

Edit: unless this rep was wrong or different shows work different Canadians cannot watch Anime Strike shows
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I don't have an issue with Sentai going to Amazon as a general idea. Competition keeps the market healthy. What I do have an issue with is the way they have Anime Strike set up. I have Prime but the double paywall and the fact that they are allowing anime to stream on regular Prime in other countries just ticks me off. So I won't be subscribing to Anime Strike this season even though I really wanted to watch Anonymous Noise. I would suggest that everyone contact Amazon if you haven't already. If they get enough feedback, maybe they'll change this to a standalone subscription at least.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/contact-us/general-questions.html?skip=true & sign in
Box 1 - Click on Prime or something else
Box 2 - More non-order questions
Give Amazon feedback
Opportunities for improvement
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Posted 4/3/17 , edited 4/3/17

rysto32 wrote:


Greylurker wrote:

Well Anime Strike isn't even available to Canada so I'm left with no (legal) way to watch any of their shows


Excuse me while I update some software that I have not used in a few years


You don't need Anime Strike. Just a Prime membership gets you access to Anime on Prime Video in Canada. Anime Strike is just a way for Amazon to gouge American anime fans for more.


In that case I'll try up the frebie and take a look. Not sure what I'll get though I sentthem an email about Strike trying to find out the details and they said it wasn't available to Canada.. If I can get the Strike shows with just the regular service that would be fine

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