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That's a real downer, and it annoys me. Even though I have a Prime membership, I just can't make heads or tails of why the hell they thought this was good business practice. If someone doesn't already have Prime, the free trial only lasts for 1/3 of the season, and then they have to pay $100 on top of paying the Strike sub. Imagine the people who only want to sign up to watch the anime and couldn't care less about the shopping or other streams Amazon offers? To me it's just too big of an investment and a big waste of money.

I can already see the number of people turning to watching these on illegal streams, and it sucks. Hopefully the views don't end up being terribly low, I'd like at least Sagrada Reset to have a dub. If they all end up with bare bones, sub-only bluray releases then Sentai only has themselves to blame.

Competition in any business is healthy, and I like seeing what different companies do with the shows they get. Improving their services based on what the other guy does is great. But this is just really dumb. It feels more like Sentai just got fed up with being stuck under CR and Funi's shadow and decided to let their really rich uncle do the work for them.
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Kreyola wrote:

That's a real downer, and it annoys me. Even though I have a Prime membership, I just can't make heads or tails of why the hell they thought this was good business practice. If someone doesn't already have Prime, the free trial only lasts for 1/3 of the season, and then they have to pay $100 on top of paying the Strike sub. Imagine the people who only want to sign up to watch the anime and couldn't care less about the shopping or other streams Amazon offers? To me it's just too big of an investment and a big waste of money.



I think you've hit on exactly why they're doing it the way they are. They've already said publicly that the reason they're getting into anime is because they know that anime fans are devoted enough to pay extra for it and this is just a logical extension of that. They realize that once they get an anime fan hooked on a series (or if they're interested enough in it to begin with) they'll pay through the nose just to watch it. Of course, as you also say, this has the side effect of pushing everyone else to less than legal means of watching what they want to watch.

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The biggest problem to be fair is Amazon treating Anime Strike as a add on channel much like a HBO/Showtime/Starz streaming channel as a premium ontop of the basic cost. Problem is people know what they are getting when they go in on those premium channels, Strike and the shows for it are way unknowns with no track record to justify the cost for it. Lets face it that is the really issue as if it was just rolled into Amazon Prime it wouldn't be that much more than the cost of a sub here/Funi/VrV now. Instead they tried to basically go basic + premium right off the back without having a large enough build out of their catalog. At first it was a limited amount of new titles, Kabaneri was their first last April before they decided to activate their Strike package for Summer 16(?), while having a older & smaller back catalog. But at the time for the $17 sub fee that couldn't have been justified per month. One new show plus a limited back catalog for 17? no we'll do a launch at later date and roll it into Prime Video for now. Why it doesn't need just their Prime Video at 8.99 a month is just silly ontop of it, instead they are pushing you to full Prime pricing.
Frankly Sentai will end up being the one hurt by this in the long run as you won't know what the show is like before you're fully bought into watching the shows on Strike. As there currently is no free watch method, legal means I'll leave other options unsaid, for the shows as part of the Strike package. Eventually people will tire of the paywalled only shows and they'll drop so less viewers = less disc sales for them down the road where they used to pull in their capital for their next licenses. Whatever the deal is they cut with Amazon is probably just a limited trial run(1 year? 18 months maybe) to see if this will stick for Amazon more than Sentai. When CR and Funi partnered up I said that either Sentai would wither soon or adapt, this is probably a last grasp for them. Pulling in subs and sub retention is whats needed here but sadly CR would rather allocate their capital for fluff instead of shows, sorry conventions, silly streaming talk shows, and contests are not why I sub here to watch anime. Sure they've started to run commercials in the past 2-3 months targeting their demos seems the buy for those has ended as I really haven't seen any of them in the past month.

Won't touch on the NFL deal as the NFL only gives a dam about themselves and looking to grab as much money as they can. Build us a new stadium that only we can use for 10 weeks out of the year and maybe we'll throw you a bone to use it for 1 or 2 other days even though you the community paid for it.. And the dummies still supported them lol.
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WOW AMAZON STRIKE FULL LIST / Pretty Robust

They got Rage of Bahamut: Virgin Soul:which FUNI had the !st season

I wonder if they paid any $ 1 Million Dollars an EP like Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress last year

I did a forum post I cant find in search so the link to the article is below

Because anime DVD sales are down not only affecting the Production CMTS but sales at Amazon ?


Amazon's Anime Strike Announces Full Spring Lineup, Premiere Dates
Rage of Bahamut: Virgin Soul, Re:CREATORS, Saekano: How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend Flat added


Granblue Fantasy the Animation:
Sagrada Reset:
Armed Girl's Machiavellism:
Saekano: How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend Flat:
Kabukibu!:
Rage of Bahamut: Virgin Soul:
Re:CREATORS:
Eromanga Sensei:
Grimoire of Zero:
Anonymous Noise:
Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? Sword Oratoria:
Atom The Beginning:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-04-05/amazon-anime-strike-announces-full-spring-lineup-premiere-dates/.114405



Japanese BD/DVD Sales Down 6.1% From 2015 (Updated)

Report notes decrease in net worth, slight increase in units sold


http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-02-09/japanese-bd-dvd-sales-down-6.1-percent-from-2015/.112040


SENTAI sends RIN-NE 3 to TAN


More shock but rather have TAN get it

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Don't mid paying for services that i use but i refuse to be forced into paywalls for content which i don't care, amazon can crash and burn for all i care .
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Amazon is really hurting the anime industry with their exclusive streaming clause on their simulcasts
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Competition is good. But I hate missing out on some big named shows when they air. I have Crunchyroll, Funimation and Netflix. That's $24 a month or $288 a year. The fact that some of the licenses expire I find it annoying. I also find it annoying when an anime I was looking forward to doesn't end up on any of the services I already pay for. I'm okay with ad-driven models but the permanent pay-wall model actually hurts my interest in a show. Anime producers need to think if the license fees they charge upfront are worth the potential exposure. I'm sure Amazon wants this anime venture to be successful but I won't show any interest in it until I feel it's worth the value.

But if they throw enough cash and scope out the potential hits and leave Funi/Crunchy with dime-a-dozen moe/sports anime my interest in anime streaming in general will just evaporate. I'll just end up supporting my favorite shows through DVD/BD purchases.
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I avoid the nonsense by keeping it to as few services as possible. I only have CR right now; previously I was on Funimation but when they started sharing shows between them I saw no reason to pay for two services. I still buy dvds because buffering on my internet connection sucks; and as long as I continue to overpay for dvds I might as well stay with $84 a year Crunchyroll.
I avoid Amazon whenever possible (I don't buy anime dvds there) and refuse to get involved in Anime Strike. If Anime Strike gets a show, I guess I won't be watching it. If it turns out to be something I'd really want, and desperately want to watch then I'll wait for the video. Someone who only watches 3-4 new series a season has no need to pay through the nose just to see one. And honestly if more people had my attitude the prices would come way down. Anime will continue to be popular, but nobody wants to lose money on a license.
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"Competition" is overrated when you are dealing with such a unique product as game franchises or anime. You cannot say a work of art is better at accomplishing this than another for certain, because it is subjective. Very few works can be said to be the same, no matter how generic, because people interpreting it may see it differently, or do not care. An exclusive stream feels less like competition, and acts more like a monopoly. I think less of companies trying to share the pie that is the Western Anime Market, and more or less think "Can I watch Code Geass Season 3 anywhere else but AnimeStrike?" If I cannot, and there is no market that can be a "substitute" for it, then that screams more a monopoly if anything else. This isn't like generic drugs that accomplishes the same basic function at the less of the cost due to not requiring the research the original drug did, because you cannot objectively measure a quality like artistic measure, and thus you cannot say there is anything that is essentially the same as Code Geass Season 3, which is "unique" enough.

So....yeah. Competition isn't without its flaws, and quite honestly? I might have preferred a monopoly, than a free for all. People say the same for consoles, when all the companies really do is ensure brand loyalty by limiting the amount of games a player can play on any one console.
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"Competition" is overrated when you are dealing with such a unique product as game franchises or anime. You cannot say a work of art is better at accomplishing this than another for certain, because it is subjective. Very few works can be said to be the same, no matter how generic, because people interpreting it may see it differently, or do not care. An exclusive stream feels less like competition, and acts more like a monopoly. I think less of companies trying to share the pie that is the Western Anime Market, and more or less think "Can I watch Code Geass Season 3 anywhere else but AnimeStrike?" If I cannot, and there is no market that can be a "substitute" for it, then that screams more a monopoly if anything else. This isn't like generic drugs that accomplishes the same basic function at the less of the cost due to not requiring the research the original drug did, because you cannot objectively measure a quality like artistic measure, and thus you cannot say there is anything that is essentially the same as Code Geass Season 3, which is "unique" enough.

So....yeah. Competition isn't without its flaws, and quite honestly? I might have preferred a monopoly, than a free for all. People say the same for consoles, when all the companies really do is ensure brand loyalty by limiting the amount of games a player can play on any one console.


The thing that makes this particular situation so crushing is that they are doing exclusives on anime strike and they are doing that to mainly try to get people to watch their service. If the competition was just like 1-2 shows that were exclusive to each platform, then it wouldn't be such a big problem because the real product would be who provides the better subs, service and simulcast schedule. However, Sentai filmworks literally gives every single one of the anime that it wins to anime strike and also gives all of those anime exclusive status.

This season has been the worst by far because Sentai clearly has the most money to bid on anime rights. I make it a point to email sentai every single season to tell them how annoyed i am with their business deal with anime strike. I also tell them that I will not use anime strike or buy any of their Blurays after they get released because clearly all they care about is the bottom line.
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However, Sentai filmworks literally gives every single one of the anime that it wins to anime strike and also gives all of those anime exclusive status.

Incorrect. A small number of them go to HIDIVE instead.

This season, Action Heroine Cheer Fruits and Battle Girl High School are the titles licensed by Sentai that are not on Anime Strike (but are on HIDIVE).

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Interesting when you go to Anime News Network or MAL both have huge banner ads for Anime Strike so more exposure to new fans is a key component to membership growth CR cant just sit back with 1 million members or I guess they can?
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abeltensro wrote:

However, Sentai filmworks literally gives every single one of the anime that it wins to anime strike and also gives all of those anime exclusive status.

Incorrect. A small number of them go to HIDIVE instead.

This season, Action Heroine Cheer Fruits and Battle Girl High School are the titles licensed by Sentai that are not on Anime Strike (but are on HIDIVE).



Yeah but they started adding them to HiDive because people were bitching about anime strike. Also, notice that all of the titles on HiDive are basically cute girls doing cute thing shows (not exactly the most popular genera in the west). At least those are the shows that are available on the US HiDive platform. In other countries, HiDive has many of the shows that are on Anime Strike in the US.

The way that money is made from most of these shows outside of Japan is fairly convoluted (especially since the internet is a thing these days).
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Yeah but they started adding them to HiDive because people were bitching about anime strike. Also, notice that all of the titles on HiDive are basically cute girls doing cute thing shows (not exactly the most popular genera in the west).

I doubt people complaining about Anime Strike was the motivation, since they did the same last season with The Anime Network (with Frame Arms Girl and Rin-ne 3), before HIDIVE ever existed.

Aside from the latter not being a "cute girl doing cute things" show, it also clearly demonstrated that "licensed by Sentai" now means "abandon all hope of seeing it on CR".
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abeltensro wrote:

Yeah but they started adding them to HiDive because people were bitching about anime strike. Also, notice that all of the titles on HiDive are basically cute girls doing cute thing shows (not exactly the most popular genera in the west).

I doubt people complaining about Anime Strike was the motivation, since they did the same last season with The Anime Network (with Frame Arms Girl and Rin-ne 3), before HIDIVE ever existed.

Aside from the latter not being a "cute girl doing cute things" show, it also clearly demonstrated that "licensed by Sentai" now means "abandon all hope of seeing it on CR".


No, of course Sentai is not going to put their shows on CR. Sentai is a direct competitor to Funimation which is a partner with Crunchyroll. It makes sense then Sentai would seek other means to distribute their content as a result of this. For the most part, when Funimation made a deal with Crunchyroll, Sentai choose to avoid putting any of their shows on CR with a few exceptions (i would assume part of it has to do with existing contracts and no real alternatives until amazon made anime strike).

Actually, I'm pretty confident in my statement that Sentai choose to give some shows to Hidive as a response to the international community not being able to view anime strike and the general anime strike backlash in the US (this is not their entire motivation however, money is obviously involved). I personally don't know much about HiDive as a streaming service but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who created the platform did so because they saw an opportunity with anime strike being rejected both internationally and in the US. Go to any of the Sentai social media streams and almost every comment is anime strike hate. Not to mention, there are plenty of people, myself included, who have written multiple emails to sentai every season since the fall with regards to anime strike. There are also tons of news articles, youtube videos, and blog posts talking about how anime strike is really bad business.

While we are talking about the vocal minority here, many anime viewers are actually involved in the community in some way, whether it be following the various youtube personalities or going on Reddit. Most anime fans who are interested in Simulcasts will have some kind of online presence because there is no other real way of learning what shows are coming etc. The international anime community is fairly unique in that regard which is something that amazon doesn't seem to understand. Very few anime fans will just sub to some random anime channel on amazon prime without knowing anything about it first.

As for Rin-ne 3, didn't know it was given to the anime network (not really a follower of that show). Just looked over their lineup like 2 days ago.
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