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What you need is an advertisement on the film, a clip, like what Crunchyroll is doing, good job! Something that would provoke the reader's interest while partially understanding the situation
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No, of course Sentai is not going to put their shows on CR. Sentai is a direct competitor to Funimation which is a partner with Crunchyroll. It makes sense then Sentai would seek other means to distribute their content as a result of this. For the most part, when Funimation made a deal with Crunchyroll, Sentai choose to avoid putting any of their shows on CR with a few exceptions (i would assume part of it has to do with existing contracts and no real alternatives until amazon made anime strike).

There were signs of Sentai pulling away from CR well before the Funimation/CR partnership, and even before CR announced they would be getting into the home media business.



Actually, I'm pretty confident in my statement that Sentai choose to give some shows to Hidive as a response to the international community not being able to view anime strike and the general anime strike backlash in the US (this is not their entire motivation however, money is obviously involved).

I don't see how you can be that confident when it is just following the same pattern they established with The Anime Network.

Early last year when they had Undefeated Bahamut Chronicle as a Hulu exclusive in the US, the series was made available to other countries via TAN. With a previous Hulu exclusive (Chivalry of a Failed Knight) they had went with Viewster for that purpose.

I expect Sentai not putting everything on Anime Strike has more to do with lessons learned about not putting everything in one basket. (Although even at the height of Sentai's relationship with CR, most shows licensed to CR were also available on TAN, albeit most on a delayed basis).
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Fuck Amazon. I switched from the fansubs to Crunchyroll because CR was a customer friendly company which Amazon is not even one bit.
They are grabbing the most popular and probably best titles (Noitamina) and putting an absurd price for them. From what I've heard, they don't upload their episodes consistently on time like Crunchyroll, they don't have a queue to organize titles, browsing is a pain, they don't communicate with customers and other things. For $160, I would be expecting a godly like experience.
For $60, Crunchyroll offers a complete anime experience. They try their best to satisfy customer's needs. Contests, news, forums, manga, social media dialogue, accessibility of anime, you name it (I sound like a CR fanboy. I really love CR so much).
I don't need Amazon's Prime subscription at all. I could even buy it for $50 since I'm a college student, but I'm not gonna do it. I'd feel bad for the people that have to spend an unnecesary $100 just to watch some anime content in a place that doesn't specialize in anime.
It's the same Aniplex tactic of getting the rights of a series and then selling it in separate volumes. Each volume costing the same as an entire series from another distributor like Funimation. It just pisses me off so much.
I miss those days when CR used to get more than 30 series per season (most of them being big titles), and the only good competition they had was Funimation.

I didn't mean to write this much, but I'm really pissed off. They are messing with the hobby I like the most.
Needles to say, I'm going back to fansubs for the titles Amazon has gotten. I'll wait for the Blu-ray releases of each series in my favorite fansubs.
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What upsets me the most about what Amazon is doing is that with all the money they have, they can easily fix all these problems. They just choose not to. They could hire people who don't have to use Google Translate half the time to translate their shows, are capable enough to put the subtitles in the videos and organize their catalog without issue, and have the decency to let their costumers know when shows are going to be delayed. None of this should require much effort from them. Instead, they're under the delusion that their only problem was that they didn't grab enough simulcasts and they they tried to "solve" that problem by buying as many shows as they could and making them accessible to only a fraction of the people who normally subscribe to anime streaming services. They don't even make any effort to promote Anime Strike to their own Prime members so they obviously have no intention of using this method to convert more anime fans among their members. All the Anime Strike ads I've seen have ironically been on websites where there is strong backlash against Anime Strike.
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What upsets me the most about what Amazon is doing is that with all the money they have, they can easily fix all these problems. They just choose not to. They could hire people who don't have to use Google Translate half the time to translate their shows, are capable enough to put the subtitles in the videos and organize their catalog without issue, and have the decency to let their costumers know when shows are going to be delayed. None of this should require much effort from them. Instead, they're under the delusion that their only problem was that they didn't grab enough simulcasts and they they tried to "solve" that problem by buying as many shows as they could and making them accessible to only a fraction of the people who normally subscribe to anime streaming services. They don't even make any effort to promote Anime Strike to their own Prime members so they obviously have no intention of using this method to convert more anime fans among their members. All the Anime Strike ads I've seen have ironically been on websites where there is strong backlash against Anime Strike.


Honestly, if the tech part wasn't an issue along with the double paywall, I'd join AS. Fansubs are a pain in the ass to find.


But I'm not spending over a hundred bucks a year for crap.
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Posted 7/10/17

Nogara-san wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

What upsets me the most about what Amazon is doing is that with all the money they have, they can easily fix all these problems. They just choose not to. They could hire people who don't have to use Google Translate half the time to translate their shows, are capable enough to put the subtitles in the videos and organize their catalog without issue, and have the decency to let their costumers know when shows are going to be delayed. None of this should require much effort from them. Instead, they're under the delusion that their only problem was that they didn't grab enough simulcasts and they they tried to "solve" that problem by buying as many shows as they could and making them accessible to only a fraction of the people who normally subscribe to anime streaming services. They don't even make any effort to promote Anime Strike to their own Prime members so they obviously have no intention of using this method to convert more anime fans among their members. All the Anime Strike ads I've seen have ironically been on websites where there is strong backlash against Anime Strike.


Honestly, if the tech part wasn't an issue along with the double paywall, I'd join AS. Fansubs are a pain in the ass to find.


But I'm not spending over a hundred bucks a year for crap.


Even with a really strong platform like CR, I wouldn't touch AS. As long as the double paywall is a thing especially. Basically Amazon, is trying to establish this cable TV style payment model but honestly, cable TV has a horrible payment model and the only reason they can get away with it is because the companies that provide that service are basically monopolies in most areas.

This is a model that has been around for years now in Video games. Break pieces of the video game off and sell them back to the customer for an extra 20 dollars. If enough people don't support this style of business then perhaps it will not become the standard for streaming services on the internet. However, if Amazon is successful in this payment model, then I guarantee that other services like Hulu and Netflix will start to follow in their footsteps in which case I will be pirating all my media from then on.
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Posted 7/10/17

abeltensro wrote:

Even with a really strong platform like CR, I wouldn't touch AS. As long as the double paywall is a thing especially. Basically Amazon, is trying to establish this cable TV style payment model but honestly, cable TV has a horrible payment model and the only reason they can get away with it is because the companies that provide that service are basically monopolies in most areas.

This is a model that has been around for years now in Video games. Break pieces of the video game off and sell them back to the customer for an extra 20 dollars. If enough people don't support this style of business then perhaps it will not become the standard for streaming services on the internet. However, if Amazon is successful in this payment model, then I guarantee that other services like Hulu and Netflix will start to follow in their footsteps in which case I will be pirating all my media from then on.


Personally i never understood those trying to defend channel addons, its blatantly obvious just a way to introduce the outdated cable TV business model into the streaming market no much different than when Hulu used to charge their customers a subscription while still shoving advertisement down their throats. The huge media conglomerates would surely love keeping the status quo by destroying the current streaming business model, this are the same monopoly groups who champion geo-blocking and DRM to keep their anti consumer monopolies in place.






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abeltensro wrote:

However, if Amazon is successful in this payment model, then I guarantee that other services like Hulu and Netflix will start to follow in their footsteps in which case I will be pirating all my media from then on.

I believe Hulu actually beat Amazon to the punch when they first offered Showtime as an add-on beginning 2 years ago:
https://www.hulu.com/press/showtime-available-through-hulu/

Amazon apparently didn't start offering channels until December of that same year:
https://www.wired.com/2015/12/amazon-prime-members-can-subcribe-to-showtime-and-other-channels-a-la-carte/

Hulu have also recently started offering HBO as an add-on, as well as their live tv package.

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Posted 7/10/17 , edited 7/10/17

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abeltensro wrote:

However, if Amazon is successful in this payment model, then I guarantee that other services like Hulu and Netflix will start to follow in their footsteps in which case I will be pirating all my media from then on.

I believe Hulu actually beat Amazon to the punch when they first offered Showtime as an add-on beginning 2 years ago:
https://www.hulu.com/press/showtime-available-through-hulu/

Amazon apparently didn't start offering channels until December of that same year:
https://www.wired.com/2015/12/amazon-prime-members-can-subcribe-to-showtime-and-other-channels-a-la-carte/

Hulu have also recently started offering HBO as an add-on, as well as their live tv package.



Well, thanks for correcting me there. I don't really follow Hulu, at least I haven't touched it since they added a payment model (some like 5-6 years ago??).

I believe my point is still valid however, considering the size of amazon prime and the amount of premium content that they are offering right now. They have everything from the more basic premium channels like HBO and SHOWTime to Comedy central and of course anime strike. If they are able to break the market that Netflix currently dominates with this Cable Television style of pay model then we will definitely see a large shift in the way that content is sold on the internet. There are still many facets of the internet that are fairly young (I'm a developer and for a few years now the "real time web" has been our primary focus).

There certainly can be merits to having a revenue stream that isn't based on ad-revenue (as in case of Showtime and HBO), as mentioned before, the cable television payment model has always been fairly anti-consumer. Eventually we might end up seeing things like HBO premium services which gate off specific shows from people who already pay for normal HBO or a Netflix premium service which gates off any Netflix original series. Just considering something like that makes my stomach turn over.

A more modular payment method could be more acceptable if there wasn't such a large barrier for entry as in the case of Amazon Prime. I don't use Amazon all that much for shopping, so I really see very little value in paying 100 dollars a year for streaming video and 1-2 items worth of free shipping.
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Yeah, if there's one thing that's wrong above all else, it's that Amazon blatantly misunderstand the anime community. If the guys in charge of Anime Strike ran their service just like Crunchyroll, then that would be the best of all worlds here as Amazon gets the subscribers they have wanted, we as subscribers get our money's worth from them, and with Amazon's bottomless wallet it ensures that the creators, producers, and everybody else who worked on making our shows well-paid so that they can keep on doing what they do best. But of course, these guys say to hell with that and think that as long as they keep growing their exclusive catalog that it wouldn't matter to fans, which is where the complaints are coming from. With Crunchyroll and the other anime-specific services they put customer satisfaction first and foremost, whereas with Amazon they only care about the bottom line.

Like I have been saying, it's great to see that a megacorporation is recognizing anime, but if they are going to get into the business, they better make the experience equal or better to that from Crunchyroll or else get out. Improving their navigation and subtitle quality is one thing, but more importantly drop the Prime requirement (and as a compromise, allow put out a stand-alone option that costs slightly more than what Prime members would have to pay for it). Of course, that's not how business works as with money they can get whatever they want, and even if the end product is watered down it still wouldn't matter as it's hard to turn down something what all that money gets thrown at them.
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Anime Strike's interface is garbage, its URLs are long strings of garbled crap.

The entire thing looks like an afterthought. I wouldn't consider it unless they overhaul the whole darned thing.

My detailed description of AS fail here:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-987153/i-hate-amazon-and-its-retarded-anime-strike-non-service

Also, having to buy a membership just for the chance of buying ANOTHER membership is utter BS
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riem2k wrote:


abeltensro wrote:

Even with a really strong platform like CR, I wouldn't touch AS. As long as the double paywall is a thing especially. Basically Amazon, is trying to establish this cable TV style payment model but honestly, cable TV has a horrible payment model and the only reason they can get away with it is because the companies that provide that service are basically monopolies in most areas.

This is a model that has been around for years now in Video games. Break pieces of the video game off and sell them back to the customer for an extra 20 dollars. If enough people don't support this style of business then perhaps it will not become the standard for streaming services on the internet. However, if Amazon is successful in this payment model, then I guarantee that other services like Hulu and Netflix will start to follow in their footsteps in which case I will be pirating all my media from then on.


Personally i never understood those trying to defend channel addons, its blatantly obvious just a way to introduce the outdated cable TV business model into the streaming market no much different than when Hulu used to charge their customers a subscription while still shoving advertisement down their throats. The huge media conglomerates would surely love keeping the status quo by destroying the current streaming business model, this are the same monopoly groups who champion geo-blocking and DRM to keep their anti consumer monopolies in place.



It truly is bizarre this day and age it's still a thing, it's like your average sky TV packages in the UK but with singular channels Vs multiple and at a cost where getting a couple really adds up price wise. I think if rather Prime offered less fluff but you CHOOSE which fluff you want with annual fee. That would i get best suit the "pick and choose" format theyre presenting.
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Posted 7/11/17 , edited 7/11/17
Something that I've found funny over the past week is that basically all of the Anime Strike picks this season have fallen pretty flat for me with the exception of "Made in Abyss" which is mostly held together by its unique setting. I know many people were upset because many of the more anticipated shows of the season were picked up by anime strike, but most of those shows didn't really keep my interest after the first episode.

Now, the two shows that Netflix picked up seem to be fairly decent, though luckily I have a netflix subscription so I don't feel as guilty using other websites to watch those shows early. CR also has a better selection this season then I originally thought.

This seems to be a rather consistent trend, AS picks a ton of shows, people get angry (myself included) because those shows are typically some of the most anticipated of the season; then those shows fail to deliver for the most part (with the exception of one or two).
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