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Post Reply Should Criminals be given a chance to live? (RAPIST, MURDERER, DRUG ADDICT, ETC)
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Posted 4/4/17

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There's no neutral answer option so I'll add my neutral answer

It really depends on the degree of what they did, and what reason. Like if the dude killed that guy for, say, killing his daughter and it was proven that guy killed his daughter, I say fine, or if he found his wife was cheating or something where he has every reason to be mad. If it's just murder to murder, give him the chair

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I think rights exist regardless of whether they are actually given, but demanded to be so. The prison system operates on the principle that committing a crime has a punishment, namely a forfeiture of yours rights, legally anyway. Illegal means cannot be used to take away your rights, namely by the Government, but also by individuals.

You have a right to not be killed arbitrarily or over petty reasons, because no one else has the licenses to kill in general. Otherwise, why is it a crime?
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Lol, that it is. Although I explained it that way because some people are "hair-splitters" and seem to require the obvious when it comes to explanations, and in this case that expected basis weeds out any of the possible responses that could include those that would mention the obvious.

(( Lol, the irony of me making that post. ))


I see. My reasoning is men are not perfect in mental acuity. Case example, OJ. He may or not have been guilty, but the evidence clearly demonstrates that a guilty verdict was much more reasonable.
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They sure make it rough out there.
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How do you fit drug addicts in with murders and rapists? A drug addict is hurting himself not others.
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Tokhang wrote:

Does criminals have right to live? Or they should just be shot dead like what is happening in the philippines right now?




you mean where out of control vigilante groups rule the streets killing anyone they remotely think are criminals or just people they don't like then calling them criminals

Yeah we don't need self appointed death squads here


What about Shinsengumi?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


salamisama wrote:




Lol, that it is. Although I explained it that way because some people are "hair-splitters" and seem to require the obvious when it comes to explanations, and in this case that expected basis weeds out any of the possible responses that could include those that would mention the obvious.

(( Lol, the irony of me making that post. ))


I see. My reasoning is men are not perfect in mental acuity. Case example, OJ. He may or not have been guilty, but the evidence clearly demonstrates that a guilty verdict was much more reasonable.


Without a doubt.

Regardless, there is not enough garnered anyhow, even if the choice would have been otherwise.
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dapperskeleton wrote:

There's no neutral answer option so I'll add my neutral answer

It really depends on the degree of what they did, and what reason. Like if the dude killed that guy for, say, killing his daughter and it was proven that guy killed his daughter, I say fine, or if he found his wife was cheating or something where he has every reason to be mad. If it's just murder to murder, give him the chair

*controversial opinion below. Do not look if you dislike controversy or are easily triggered*


I think rights exist regardless of whether they are actually given, but demanded to be so. The prison system operates on the principle that committing a crime has a punishment, namely a forfeiture of yours rights, legally anyway. Illegal means cannot be used to take away your rights, namely by the Government, but also by individuals.

You have a right to not be killed arbitrarily or over petty reasons, because no one else has the licenses to kill in general. Otherwise, why is it a crime?


Ok but you can't forfeit your right to live, if it were a right. You still get in trouble for prison shanking a dude, otherwise it wouldn't matter because he forfeited his right to live. I'm not trying to say lives don't matter, I just don't think living is a right, rather something higher than a right you know? More...sacred, in a sense
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Rujikin wrote:

How do you fit drug addicts in with murders and rapists? A drug addict is hurting himself not others.


I agree, I don't see how they include them! -scratches head- Should be murderer killing countless people and children, The one that won't reform, the worse of the worse should be taken out...

I say lets bring back Shinsengumi!

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A drug that makes you violent if one does not overdose? Does that even exist?
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It really depends on the severity of their crime.
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If you voted no, then please kill yourself to support your opinion.
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Luchsen wrote:

If you voted no, then please kill yourself to support your opinion.



So voted YES on some sick fuck raping children, murderer going around killing people and laugh at people about it with no remorse whatsoever.. And pervert that kidnapped Women to forced them to have sex with strangers? Are you saying those sick fuck should be still alive?


Are you still supporting them? I'm talking about the people that are beyond reform...
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Luchsen wrote:

If you voted no, then please kill yourself to support your opinion.



So voted YES on some sick fuck raping children, murderer going around killing people and laugh at people about it with no remorse whatsoever.. And pervert that kidnapped Women to forced them to have sex with strangers? Are you saying those sick fuck should be still alive?


Are you still supporting them? I'm talking about the people that are beyond reform...


I think they were referencing "drug addicts" and "etc", both of which do not look promising. Besides rape and murder, both direct and indirect (War crimes, gang leaders, etc) I am not sure if I could find any crime worthy of the death penalty. Maybe torture, but otherwise I do not see any promise in rampant use of the death penalty, or god forbid, what is happening in the Philippines.
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Im going to touch on one crime to make an example of why the death penalty doesnt work.

Rape.

Lets say you are 21 years old and you meet a girl who looks and acts 18+. Not only does she look that way but she bluntly says she is 18. You like her get into a relationship with her and have sex with her. Then you find out she lied about her age she is under 18. You from a legal perpective have raped a girl. This in court at least where I live will land you in jail more often than not. Meaning if there was a death penalty you just died because you were lied to.

Another example roughly 72% of reported rapes end up being the victim lied and had alterior motives to for example get their ex in trouble for cheating. Most of these lies are caught in court but about 30% of them still end up facing jail time for crimes they did not commit. This is because during police questioning stuff like this is said.

Police: did you rape the girl
Person: I admit I thought about it as they are beautiful but no I never did it.
or
Person: Ive had sex with her and roleplayed that with them but never did it for real.

Stuff like that the court says they had a motive so they must have done it.

So beyond the moral problem our justice systems are simply not just so to many innocent people would die.

Source: Im a lawyer.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


JanusCascade wrote:


Luchsen wrote:

If you voted no, then please kill yourself to support your opinion.



So voted YES on some sick fuck raping children, murderer going around killing people and laugh at people about it with no remorse whatsoever.. And pervert that kidnapped Women to forced them to have sex with strangers? Are you saying those sick fuck should be still alive?


Are you still supporting them? I'm talking about the people that are beyond reform...


I think they were referencing "drug addicts" and "etc" [...]


No, I was referencing people like JanusCascade who fly into a frenzy about crimes they deem "sick fuck" and thus want the perpetrators to be killed (or want to kill them, it seems). Shouldn't people like JanusCascade judge themselves under their own jurisdiction? Thanks to him for the expected reaction, by the way. I hope it isn't beyond reform...
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