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Posted 4/5/17 , edited 4/26/17

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Used to be Funi versus CR and then the merge but before that there was constant loyal shit talk back and forth. If Amazon wants in its purely business and btw they don't have Saturday issues ever with buffering I think CR needs to step up or get left behind


At least for me, it's not about brand loyalty. I was perfectly happy watching Kabaneri on prime.

It's the fact they're treating anime like it's HBO that I have a problem with. It's like asking you to shell out extra dough to watch shows that come on standard cable. Or worse, stuff that's on PBS that you can get with rabbit ears. There's no reason to treat shows that come on normal Japanese cable like they're on a premium channel.


^ This.

Why not just make it free for prime users and have a separate subscription fee for non-prime users?

Sure, they'll make more money this way, but come on. That just doesn't seem to be doing right by the customers that were already loyal to their membership. We're already basically paying them a premium just so that when we spend even more money to buy other products from them we can get them a bit faster for free. Sure, we're compensated with a music, photo storage, and the video service, but now we're being told that a bit of the video section is being cordoned off and we'll have to hand over extra for it. (And if you're like me there wasn't much reason to use the music or photos services so that's no consolation either)

It's a pretty annoying move, especially knowing that Amazon can definitely afford to pick up these licences and expand the Anime Strike user base without charging existing members extra. (I don't claim to have any sort of inside knowledge on Amazon, but lets be real. It's one of the largest companies in world and everything on prime that that isn't an Amazon Original is licensed content anyway).

At this point, I'm gearing up to pay for CR or VRV once I'm done spending money on textbooks. I just don't like the way Amazon has handled this, and size of the CR and Funi catalogs makes this a pretty easy decision anyway.
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The entire structure of how people watch shows is currently in an overhaul. With all the new platforms, streaming services and app-based channels becoming available, cable will soon be resigned to the tomes of history. It's becoming customizable down to the individual viewer and completely mobile to meet the demands of busy lives. There may be a period of rough transition, but I don't foresee our future deviating from this path. The one-size-fits-all price of cable will be replaced by the much smaller subscription fee of those more flexible options (which will only continue to expand to service their members). Currently, with CR and Amazon Prime/Strike and Netflix and various other services & channels, my costs are less than cable alone. (This excludes the base internet connection fee and does not consider unlimited data.) The beast known as cable must die.

P.S. If a little trinket purchased at an anime con costs more than a few months of subscriptions, is a double paywall really a valid complaint?
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54bubbles wrote:

P.S. If a little trinket purchased at an anime con costs more than a few months of subscriptions, is a double paywall really a valid complaint?


Considering the cost ($100 base prime sub and ~$5 a month for Anime Strike) I'd say so. If Prime was less, excluding student price, then I don't think it would be as much of an issue. As it stands, unlike most channel subscriptions you can't purchase a season pass for a show. You have to sub to Anime Strike to see them on Amazon.

In your post you mentioned a cable service, well in reality paying for Prime isn't too dissimilar for that since for every one good thing available via Prime there's at least double that is pretty meh and with Anime Strike you're paying for a premium service on top of that like if it was HBO or something similar. I've had Netflix and Prime for awhile now, and I subbed to Anime Strike for a couple of months and dropped it after that. One of the issues I took with the service was that it was listing choices that weren't subbed or dubbed but raw in the list with no real differentiation at the time. That and for the amount of stuff available from the service at $5 a month, my Netflix sub is more worthwhile.
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54bubbles wrote:

P.S. If a little trinket purchased at an anime con costs more than a few months of subscriptions, is a double paywall really a valid complaint?


Depends on a per user basis, if you watch other content on prime then its probably tolerable but if you only watch anime then surely it will feel like a slap to the face.

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My only issue with Anime Strike is the double pay wall. I would have perfectly been fine with subscribing to that channel if it didn't have the Prime requirement. The way it is now, if you already have a Prime account, then fantastic for you. But for many people who don't, that's a big barrier.

Plus, if someone had to get Prime for the first time, they would likely be prompted to order stuff on the website to just get their money's worth. Over a year, that spending could easily spiral into 3-4 or many more times the total Prime/Strike annual cost; which is what Amazon is aiming for of course.
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Saw the Article on Anime News Network. This basically fxxxs things over for me this season. Other than Attack on Titan and My Hero Academia; Saekano and Damachi were the other 2 titles I was expecting to be on here (and looking forward to the most) Given that their first season/original anime adaptations are on here. I'm even re-watching Season 1 of Saekano in preparations for Season 2. But this here:

"All of the above titles except Granblue Fantasy the Animation and Eromanga Sensei are exclusive to Anime Strike in the United States."

That pisses me off! Now I have to pay an extra $50-$70 to only watch 24-26 anime episodes?! I don't have that extra cash!!!

Looks like I have to call up Luffy to get a ride on the Thousand Sunny for this season. They FORCED my hand on this one.
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Posted 4/5/17 , edited 4/26/17

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At one point CR basically monopolized all of Sentai's titles. It was only the CR-Funi partnership that ended that.

How do you explain the two titles they gave exclusively to Hulu and others that were only on TAN/ANO months before that?

Sentai was showing signs of pulling away from CR well before CR's partnership with Funimation was announced.

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My problem is both the double pay wall and the strong arming. The double paywall is just stupid and anti-consumer. By strong arming, I mean that Amazon has enough money to buy any show they want, so they get all the good shows, make them exclusives, and leave the scraps for anyone. I'm not saying that other sites have not done this, but things like the Crunchy-Funi partnership were to decrease competition between anime streaming companies. This entire Anime Strike situation makes it feel like we took two steps forward and then three steps back.

I am refusing to buy Anime Strike, no matter how many shows they get. There is only so much of this I can take. I will show my anger by boycotting Amazon. It may not do much, but it is better than nothing.

Edit: As an afterthought, this entire exclusivity competition only encourages people to use illegal streaming sites where most of the shows that are spread out through many different streaming sites would be available in one place.
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Buy all your anime DVD's and Manga from Right Stuf or some other site Not Amazon. If you want an effective boycott against Amazon.
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This was my biggest worry as anime began to slide into the view of popular culture. Bigger companies wanting to get their hands into the pie causing anime to be spread across more and more services to the point it becomes difficult to afford.
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The double paywall is complete bs, especially at that price point. I'm already a prime member, now I have to fork out $120/yr on top of that to watch the handful of titles CR/Funi failed to get? Yeah no thanks, I'll just use the one week trial post spring season, marathon everything I want to watch and promptly ditch it.
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Just you wait once they realize how big the anime industry is they will be charging $200 a year / month, and on top of that only show (region locked) shitty shows to squeeze more money out of you, the exact reason why we left cable tv in the first place.
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Okay I haven't read any of the stuff posted here before so don't know if this has been said already. Anyway my biggest problem has always been the fact that anime is spread around like 5 different services these days and I honestly don't have the patience to jump from service to service all the time. I would gladly pay much more than I did for CR just to get stuff into one place. I know that's anti-competitive or whatever but from a consumers point of view that's all I care about atm.

I'm saying that though none of this stuff exists in my country either way. I guess country licensing is always going to be the biggest problem for me but after that, it's having stuff in the same place and only then price. I'm just gonna stop caring until someone somewhere fixes this shit.
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I think we should all go to campfire (japanese version of kickstarer) and campaign for the authors to release their own "Pixar" of sorts where everyone can go and pay + watch the creators / animation directly. I am tired of this middleman bullshit, i do not want a repeat of grooveshark.
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