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Post Reply [UPDATE Jan 5 2018 - RIP ANIME STRIKE (it is no more)] - Was: Anime Strike (Amazon) Possible Danger to Anime Watching
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I know, glad it's a small line up. Testing the market I am sure.


Maybe then if Amazon really does have the money (For the anime's liscened by nobody) they should find and pay) a studio to dub the anime like Funimation and Netflix is doing for dual audio streaming.
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Maybe then if Amazon really does have the money (For the anime's liscened by nobody) they should find and pay) a studio to dub the anime like Funimation and Netflix is doing for dual audio streaming.


It's very likely that they will in the future do that, or are already in the works of doing that. But even if they do, it will cost them more money to find a studio and fund the dubbing project which means that they are likely not going to change their pricing options and in turn will still keep people (such as myself) at bay.

If there was an option (even a $6-7 option) to purchase a Strike sub separate from a Prime sub, It would probably solve a lot of peoples issues and still allow them to make profit off of their service. As opposed to turning people away with a steep entry, It would give people variety and give them better justification to use the service. That in turn = more potential customers which = more profit to still fund things like dubbing and acquire great titles every season. But let's face it, Amazon is all about their Prime service and making people buy more stuff from them so we wont ever see changes like that unless a miracle happens.
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Posted 8/28/17 , edited 8/28/17

Netjak wrote:


leelee85 wrote:



Maybe then if Amazon really does have the money (For the anime's liscened by nobody) they should find and pay) a studio to dub the anime like Funimation and Netflix is doing for dual audio streaming.


It's very likely that they will in the future do that, or are already in the works of doing that. But even if they do, it will cost them more money to find a studio and fund the dubbing project which means that they are likely not going to change their pricing options and in turn will still keep people (such as myself) at bay.

If there was an option (even a $6-7 option) to purchase a Strike sub separate from a Prime sub, It would probably solve a lot of peoples issues and still allow them to make profit off of their service. As opposed to turning people away with a steep entry, It would give people variety and give them better justification to use the service. That in turn = more potential customers which = more profit to still fund things like dubbing and acquire great titles every season. But let's face it, Amazon is all about their Prime service and making people buy more stuff from them so we wont ever see changes like that unless a miracle happens.


Suck it up and buy it anyway. I did. In fact I don't give a rats ass about the entry. Just buy. O yeah I can't wait for Amazon to pour out the money to a studio and fund the dubbing project.
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Posted 8/28/17

Netjak wrote:


leelee85 wrote:



Maybe then if Amazon really does have the money (For the anime's liscened by nobody) they should find and pay) a studio to dub the anime like Funimation and Netflix is doing for dual audio streaming.


It's very likely that they will in the future do that, or are already in the works of doing that. But even if they do, it will cost them more money to find a studio and fund the dubbing project which means that they are likely not going to change their pricing options and in turn will still keep people (such as myself) at bay.

If there was an option (even a $6-7 option) to purchase a Strike sub separate from a Prime sub, It would probably solve a lot of peoples issues and still allow them to make profit off of their service. As opposed to turning people away with a steep entry, It would give people variety and give them better justification to use the service. That in turn = more potential customers which = more profit to still fund things like dubbing and acquire great titles every season. But let's face it, Amazon is all about their Prime service and making people buy more stuff from them so we wont ever see changes like that unless a miracle happens.


In fact what do you mean it's very Likely?
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Posted 8/28/17 , edited 8/28/17
I thought Sentai was sending some of their shows exclusively to Hulu.

I'm all for getting more anime available everywhere, but the preponderance of streaming services and exclusivity deals is rather vexing. That is why I am scared of what the Sony acquisition of Funimation may bring. The Crunchyroll-Funimation deal has actually been a pretty good thing, and I hope Sony doesn't screw it up.

It would also be nice if there were more services like VRV which allowed you to subscribe to multiple streaming sites for 1 lower price. I'd rather have Anime Strike with VRV than Rooster Teeth, but there's really no reason for Amazon to do that.

What annoys me more is when multiple seasons of a show are spread across different streaming services, like Infinite Stratos and How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend.
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What annoys me more is when multiple seasons of a show are spread across different streaming services, like Infinite Stratos and How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend.


That shows the studios are "chasing profit" which of course makes sense but I wonder how it impacts viewership. Do they care? If a series does well on say CR and Amazon decides to "steal" the second cour by dumping more cash on the studio I'm sure all they see is the dollar signs. If fewer people watch it because the cours are split between services they got their money anyway. But is that a healthy attitude for the long term sustainability of anime streaming? How many times can you give the fanbase the finger before they quit watching entirely?
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Posted 8/28/17 , edited 8/28/17

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That shows the studios are "chasing profit" which of course makes sense but I wonder how it impacts viewership. Do they care? If a series does well on say CR and Amazon decides to "steal" the second cour by dumping more cash on the studio I'm sure all they see is the dollar signs. If fewer people watch it because the cours are split between services they got their money anyway. But is that a healthy attitude for the long term sustainability of anime streaming? How many times can you give the fanbase the finger before they quit watching entirely?


Amazon didn't really "steal" Saekano 2 it's just that's a noitaminA show and they have an exclusivity to all noitaminA shows. Also Season 1 is on Strike and I'm pretty sure it was before S2 started https://www.amazon.com/An-Error-ridden-Prologue/dp/B06XYJQPWW/ref=sr_1_2?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1503937400&sr=1-2&keywords=Saekano
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Posted 8/28/17 , edited 8/28/17

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I thought Sentai was sending some of their shows exclusively to Hulu.

They did that for a couple of seasons early last year, but apparently that didn't work out well for them.


What annoys me more is when multiple seasons of a show are spread across different streaming services, like Infinite Stratos and How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend.

You can view both seasons of each show on a single service, it just happens not to be CR. The Anime Network had both Infinite Stratos series all along (and HIDIVE does now), and Anime Strike had the first Saekano series available when they started simulcasting the second.

A better example would have been Rage of Bahamut, where Funimation has Genesis and Anime Strike has Virgin Soul, and neither service has the other.

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I'm Just wondering why is everyone is complaining about Anime Strike? It's a good service that's all i care
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I'm Just wondering why is everyone is complaining about Anime Strike? It's a good service that's all i care


It's the double paywall that everybody is complaining about. It would have ben fine if it were offered separately, but with Amazon they require a Prime subscription in order to have the opportunity to pay the $5/month subscription. This is a total ripoff for those who don't use Prime's other benefits. But above all, it's Amazon's failure to understand the anime community that makes this so problematic.
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I'm Just wondering why is everyone is complaining about Anime Strike? It's a good service that's all i care


As a Canadian, Prime is very shaky. They got better by the end of this season, but almost every show they had was uploaded for us 3 maybe 1 week late. Then we have episodes with missing subtitles that takes up to 3 weeks to fix. Altair and other Noitamina shows being removed suddenly with no reason whatsoever for a couple of weeks, before *pouf* being brought back. Kabukibu still missing episode 9 for more then 3 months now

So why am I complaining? The service. The service is super shitty. They just don't know how to manage a streaming service. To the point where I lose my student advantage, I might just unsub.
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Netflix is 12 USD a month, Amazon Strike is 5 USD a month on top of Amazon Prime which is 11 USD a month, Crunchyroll Premium is 7 USD a month. At a base level, there's the problem. If I am wrong on any of these numbers, please enlighten me.

Granted, Netflix and Amazon Prime have other Television shows besides anime. But they do not have a method of watching for free with advertisements like Crunchyroll does. On top of that, Prime is essentially a service for premium delivery from amazon that you are forced to opt into in order to get these shows.

But disregarding the above-

Amazon and Netflix have proved time and again that they simply don't care about the niche anime community. The service provided is lacklustre, with poor subtitles, and you have to pay full price to get access to their exclusive series even if you do not care for their other services. They only wish to get a small number of exclusives, and compete with each other rather than give a decent library of anime to the consumer. And netflix won't simulcast the series at the same time as the Japanese release.

Even from the sordid beginnings of Crunchy, community was at the heart, and I think the company has come a long way and done us proud. They've slipped up every now and then, with video quality not being up to par, and other problems but for the most part they've done well and took on board criticism. A few years back, the Crunchyroll library was nowhere near what it is now and I'm convinced that the efforts of the staff have brought the site forward (although I do think there are some changes I would like made).

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Netflix is 12 USD a month, Amazon Strike is 5 USD a month on top of Amazon Prime which is 11 USD a month, Crunchyroll Premium is 7 USD a month. At a base level, there's the problem. If I am wrong on any of these numbers, please enlighten me.


To be more specific, Prime is $11 with the monthly plan and $99 a year annually, which is $8.25 a month. I'm pretty sure everybody is on an annual membership for Crunchyroll and that makes it $5 a month. While Netflix has a $12 a month plan, that's for Ultra HD and currently anime isn't available in Ultra HD, so the $10 a month plan is what you really need.
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Kabukibu still missing episode 9 for more then 3 months now



It's kind of up. If you go to episode 8 and click "next episode" in the bottom corner you can get to it.

Just to back up the point here's Love and Lies episode from last week still with no subtitles.
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Amazon and Netflix have proved time and again that they simply do not give two shits about the niche anime community. The service provided is lacklustre, with poor subtitles, and you have to pay full price to get access to their exclusive series even if you do not care for their other services. They only wish to get a small number of exclusives, and compete with each other rather than give a decent library of anime to the consumer. And they won't simulcast the series at the same time of Japanese release, that's another thing.


Actually, Netflix has started directly funding anime now. There's a handful of upcoming shows that are being made at least partly by Netflix including old series being rebooted and they also dub the anime that they've been licensing. At the very least, they are showing signs of caring about anime, unlike Amazon who just got involved in the hunt for exclusive licenses for no reason other than because they noticed there are people who actually pay money for anime. They set up a stupidly expensive service and hardly even bother to put any effort into maintaining it properly.

Netflix's biggest mistake is their refusal to simulcast, which you're right about. To elaborate further, Netflix wants people to be able to binge a series in several languages from the moment it's available. They still haven't realized that such a business model is counterproductive for them and the people who are actively trying to watch these specific shows while they're still airing. By the time they decide to let people a watch a series, most of those people have either already seen it on illegal websites or forgotten about it since the new season of anime has already kicked off weeks prior. Those who waited or rewatched it later on Netflix are most likely a small group compared to the amount of potential fans who gave up trying to watch these shows on Netflix. Even the mainstream audience who only watch maybe the most popular show of the season won't even think about the shows that just ended unless they're bored and have nothing better to do than browse through Netflix's anime section. These are generally the kind of people who only watch Attack on Titan or My Hero Academia and move on. Meanwhile, Little Witch Academia's first half is just made available during that same season and nobody ever mentions it. The fact that Kakegurui is so popular this season without any prior anime to build up the hype is a miracle considering that watching it legally is impossible. Netflix still hasn't even announced when they'll finally show it. Only that it'll be some time in 2018, so a minimum of 2 seasons after it finishes.

I mean, I understand their logic behind it. What I don't understand is how they can delude themselves into believing that this logic works when applied to a show that many people have already seen elsewhere long before it's fully available on Netflix.
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