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Doesn't everybody wear different masks depending on time and place? This show takes it to the extreme. I found it a fun, enjoyable show that doesn't require over-thinking it.

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Yay love this show! Don't get the hate, she's not a supposed to be a role model lol. Anyone who would aspire to be like her is delusional as it would be impossible to be that lazy and selfish​ in private and as great as she is in public, it's just a "don't judge a book by its cover" comedy. And it's funny so calm down relax and enjoy it, not everything is supposed to be taken so seriously.


But every main character treats her as one, with Taihei being aware but too much of a bad parent to do nothing that would reform Umaru. The premise is one that can be easily inferred to be an attempt at relating to the audience. Not a bad idea, but it goes about it by emphasizing the worst traits associated with otaku and teenagers.

My problem is less Umaru as am intentional role model, and someone who is not even acknowledged as being a terrible person in the show, or by other characters, where I presume the appeal of Himouto is to make the girls cute and likeable. Add on to traits that would be annoying, and her character ruined the show while everyone pays lipservice. A karmic houdini if I ever saw one.

It is somewhat difficult to create a well rounded character, with more bad traits that despite it, we understand them, or even make said bad traits an appealing part of a character (Hence my response on likeable or entertaining characters versus likeable human beings). For something in anime, it is played disturbingly real and not something I find humorous because she has no positive traits. Her caring for her brother is both a bad and positive trait, in that caring is good, but when Taihei gets sick, she displays a helpless mentality I expect from a elementary schooler, not a 16 year old.

It is the reason why Joker is so beloved in the Batman mythos. He is a terrible unrepentant psychopath, but acting as Batman's foil is entertaining.


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Doesn't everybody wear different masks depending on time and place? This show takes it to the extreme. I found it a fun, enjoyable show that doesn't require over-thinking it.

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It is just my feel as to what would make a decent or great CGDCT show. If the characters are too over the top in their quirks, too generic, or too jerkish, it fails for me, personally.
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It is just my feel as to what would make a decent or great CGDCT show. If the characters are too over the top in their quirks, too generic, or too jerkish, it fails for me, personally.



That's cool. Not everybody likes the same thing. We're good.
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Season 2 hell yeah!! that just means more Ebina chan


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I imagine it based on my own experiences and what I have seen from its fans. However, I feel younger people are more susceptible to this. This is not to say a carefree and lazy lifestyle is not desired by anyone older, but teenagers are allowed a lot more freedom in this regard, versus adults who do work out of necessity, like Tahei. Some teenagers have not grappled with the fact that adulthood is only years away, maybe sooner, something I understood to be important a bit later then I would like. The fact that she is an anime and gaming fan for a work whose demographic appeal uses all the common tropes for teenagers alongside being aimed at a group who likely does video game and read manga, and it is understandable. They would not make jokes concerning this if it went over the audiences head. I do not think this is a bad thing at all. However, this being a matter of being able to relate fails for a couple of reasons for me.

-I have grown past that stage in adolescence where I did not want to work (hard) but felt entitled solely on my natural talent that should be recognized.
-I want to indulge in a stress free lifestyle with anime and games at one point, but realize this leads nowhere if you do not invest actual work besides that.


This is not a case of Eric Cartman making Tenorman eat his mother or Roger killing 5 people over $20. The realism of Umaru's asshole nature is the only thing over the top, and I find it absolutely grating to hear her whine and throw temper tantrums. Making her turn into a literal chibi does not excuse the fact she is 16 and should be prepared to grapple on the precipice of adulthood, which is hinted at only to scale back to status quo.

However, this is only exacerbated by Taihei enabling and spoiling her, Kirie thinking she is lucky to have such a good and popular girl as a friend, and Tachibana thinking that such a girl is a great rival, when in reality she is a selfish prick.

For something I consider to be mainly a cute girls doing cute things series, it fails to make the lead likeable as both a character to be entertained or as a human being in general. The show's universe and its characters are written specifically to enable this lifestyle, and it is hard to ignore the aspects of real life in this regard when we consider a lot of millennials in the anime and manga community overly sympathize with a person.

This is the same problem I have with No Game No Life. Sora and Shiro are not cool, they are failures in our world. Despite this, instead of growing, they are moved to another world where this is not a problem for them, as the world works by relying on the very thing they are good at. There is no growth, but the creation of a universe to nullify these characters flaws.


I am not trying to criticize you or an entire in particular. I went from teenagers to "some millenials", considering that some people might like it for other reasons.



I don't know how many fans really relate to her but I've never thought of her as a character the audience should like. The characters in the anime like her because they think she's a good person. She looks good, is successful (= good grades) and at least tries to act like a normal person in public so everybody assumes that she's the perfect girl even though she's actually the devil in disguise (but we, the audience aren't supposed to glorify her like that).
I can't speak for everyone but the comedy worked for me not because I like Umaru but because of the somehow realistic circumstances (successful + beautiful = popular, nobody really cares for her actual personality is as long as she pretends to be the angel they want to see) this demon takes advantage of.
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yeah everyone's favorite two-faced slacker sister is coming back! (also heard about a ebina-chan spin off any news on that?)
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I imagine it based on my own experiences and what I have seen from its fans. However, I feel younger people are more susceptible to this. This is not to say a carefree and lazy lifestyle is not desired by anyone older, but teenagers are allowed a lot more freedom in this regard, versus adults who do work out of necessity, like Tahei. Some teenagers have not grappled with the fact that adulthood is only years away, maybe sooner, something I understood to be important a bit later then I would like. The fact that she is an anime and gaming fan for a work whose demographic appeal uses all the common tropes for teenagers alongside being aimed at a group who likely does video game and read manga, and it is understandable. They would not make jokes concerning this if it went over the audiences head. I do not think this is a bad thing at all. However, this being a matter of being able to relate fails for a couple of reasons for me.

-I have grown past that stage in adolescence where I did not want to work (hard) but felt entitled solely on my natural talent that should be recognized.
-I want to indulge in a stress free lifestyle with anime and games at one point, but realize this leads nowhere if you do not invest actual work besides that.


This is not a case of Eric Cartman making Tenorman eat his mother or Roger killing 5 people over $20. The realism of Umaru's asshole nature is the only thing over the top, and I find it absolutely grating to hear her whine and throw temper tantrums. Making her turn into a literal chibi does not excuse the fact she is 16 and should be prepared to grapple on the precipice of adulthood, which is hinted at only to scale back to status quo.

However, this is only exacerbated by Taihei enabling and spoiling her, Kirie thinking she is lucky to have such a good and popular girl as a friend, and Tachibana thinking that such a girl is a great rival, when in reality she is a selfish prick.

For something I consider to be mainly a cute girls doing cute things series, it fails to make the lead likeable as both a character to be entertained or as a human being in general. The show's universe and its characters are written specifically to enable this lifestyle, and it is hard to ignore the aspects of real life in this regard when we consider a lot of millennials in the anime and manga community overly sympathize with a person.

This is the same problem I have with No Game No Life. Sora and Shiro are not cool, they are failures in our world. Despite this, instead of growing, they are moved to another world where this is not a problem for them, as the world works by relying on the very thing they are good at. There is no growth, but the creation of a universe to nullify these characters flaws.


I am not trying to criticize you or an entire in particular. I went from teenagers to "some millenials", considering that some people might like it for other reasons.



I don't know how many fans really relate to her but I've never thought of her as a character the audience should like. The characters in the anime like her because they think she's a good person. She looks good, is successful (= good grades) and at least tries to act like a normal person in public so everybody assumes that she's the perfect girl even though she's actually the devil in disguise (but we, the audience aren't supposed to glorify her like that).
I can't speak for everyone but the comedy worked for me not because I like Umaru but because of the somehow realistic circumstances (successful + beautiful = popular, nobody really cares for her actual personality is as long as she pretends to be the angel they want to see) this demon takes advantage of.


"Like" and "aspire to be" are different. An unlikable character in a CGDCTs is a death sentence in most case, yet most are not role models. For me, she was neither. The show profited about the juxtaposition but never nailed her as a devil. She never changed, she rarely has shown good qualities, and no one considers her as such. What am I suppose to say knowing that, that the intent was not to glorify her, make her entertaining and likable, or anyone of the above? If it was their intent, then I do not see how it succeeds with Umaru in anyway, where the more likely attempt was to make a character we can relate to. I mean, we are talking about an anime whose comedy consists of lampooning various lifestyles and tropes, and commentary that would mainly concern those already into anime, the slice of life genre, and of course videogames, with the titular character being all three to the point of obsession. It was likely written with a certain viewer group in mind, no different than yaoi is ultimately aimed at women who enjoy it. We have characters who fit all of those traits of being a good person, and people say they are not likable due to a perfection that cannot be sympathized with. Umaru's crime is less of being evil than just outright being annoying. It is less bad than being "realistically bad", which of course depends on the life experiences and patience of someone criticizing or praising.

Of course, being able to relate, rather than like or aspire to be, fails because I am no longer the ideal demographic. I work. Most teenagers do not.
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This anime line up in the future is looking nutz
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"Like" and "aspire to be" are different. An unlikable character in a CGDCTs is a death sentence in most case, yet most are not role models. For me, she was neither. The show profited about the juxtaposition but never nailed her as a devil. She never changed, she rarely has shown good qualities, and no one considers her as such. What am I suppose to say knowing that, that the intent was not to glorify her, make her entertaining and likable, or anyone of the above? If it was their intent, then I do not see how it succeeds with Umaru in anyway, where the more likely attempt was to make a character we can relate to. I mean, we are talking about an anime whose comedy consists of lampooning various lifestyles and tropes, and commentary that would mainly concern those already into anime, the slice of life genre, and of course videogames, with the titular character being all three to the point of obsession. It was likely written with a certain viewer group in mind, no different than yaoi is ultimately aimed at women who enjoy it. We have characters who fit all of those traits of being a good person, and people say they are not likable due to a perfection that cannot be sympathized with. Umaru's crime is less of being evil than just outright being annoying. It is less bad than being "realistically bad", which of course depends on the life experiences and patience of someone criticizing or praising.

Of course, being able to relate, rather than like or aspire to be, fails because I am no longer the ideal demographic. I work. Most teenagers do not.


Hmm, I honestly never thought of it as a CGDCT Slice-of-Life anime. It's a comedy with SoL elements in it to me because I don't see how it can be a CGDCT anime when the mc neither looks cute (most of the times) nor does cute things (and the second most important character is a man).
It seems like we can't even agree on the genre .
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

"Like" and "aspire to be" are different. An unlikable character in a CGDCTs is a death sentence in most case, yet most are not role models. For me, she was neither. The show profited about the juxtaposition but never nailed her as a devil. She never changed, she rarely has shown good qualities, and no one considers her as such. What am I suppose to say knowing that, that the intent was not to glorify her, make her entertaining and likable, or anyone of the above? If it was their intent, then I do not see how it succeeds with Umaru in anyway, where the more likely attempt was to make a character we can relate to. I mean, we are talking about an anime whose comedy consists of lampooning various lifestyles and tropes, and commentary that would mainly concern those already into anime, the slice of life genre, and of course videogames, with the titular character being all three to the point of obsession. It was likely written with a certain viewer group in mind, no different than yaoi is ultimately aimed at women who enjoy it. We have characters who fit all of those traits of being a good person, and people say they are not likable due to a perfection that cannot be sympathized with. Umaru's crime is less of being evil than just outright being annoying. It is less bad than being "realistically bad", which of course depends on the life experiences and patience of someone criticizing or praising.

Of course, being able to relate, rather than like or aspire to be, fails because I am no longer the ideal demographic. I work. Most teenagers do not.


Hmm, I honestly never thought of it as a CGDCT Slice-of-Life anime. It's a comedy with SoL elements in it to me because I don't see how it can be a CGDCT anime when the mc neither looks cute (most of the times) nor does cute things (and the second most important character is a man).
It seems like we can't even agree on the genre .


I prefer it if you did not taunt me. I am sorry that I offended you earlier, I did not notice.

In which case, I find the tag genre to much more inclusive in regards than just typical works like Gochiusa, much like how I consider Gabriel Dropout to be one as well, alongside Non Non Biyori. In any case, I thought the main character was cute in both forms, but her personality is an extreme deviation from her normal appearance. Cute things are littered through the show. Kirie's protective nature (Often indicative of a pseudolesbian desire of the best friend in various animes), the beach episode, Ebina's shyness, etc. I fail to see where the show does not attempt to be cute, only that it fails in various places.

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I prefer it if you did not taunt me. I am sorry that I offended you earlier, I did not notice.

In which case, I find the tag genre to much more inclusive in regards than just typical works like Gochiusa, much like how I consider Gabriel Dropout to be one as well, alongside Non Non Biyori. In any case, I thought the main character was cute in both forms, but her personality is an extreme deviation from her normal appearance. Cute things are littered through the show. Kirie's protective nature (Often indicative of a pseudolesbian desire of the best friend in various animes), the beach episode, Ebina's shyness, etc. I fail to see where the show does not attempt to be cute, only that it fails in various places.



Huh, what are talking about? I didn't taunt you nor was I offended by anything.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I prefer it if you did not taunt me. I am sorry that I offended you earlier, I did not notice.

In which case, I find the tag genre to much more inclusive in regards than just typical works like Gochiusa, much like how I consider Gabriel Dropout to be one as well, alongside Non Non Biyori. In any case, I thought the main character was cute in both forms, but her personality is an extreme deviation from her normal appearance. Cute things are littered through the show. Kirie's protective nature (Often indicative of a pseudolesbian desire of the best friend in various animes), the beach episode, Ebina's shyness, etc. I fail to see where the show does not attempt to be cute, only that it fails in various places.



Huh, what are talking about? I didn't taunt you nor was I offended by anything.



I was referring to this quote.


It seems like we can't even agree on the genre


The winking and statements appear to be insulting me for creating an insipid argument.
Though at this point, I do not care if you like it. If it did not bother you, then it does not. This argument has been on the entertainment merits, rather then anything concerning of moral significance I would take real offense at, such Akatsuki from Rogue Hero is respectful to women or Himegoto is respectful to men and crossdressers. You were not attempting to validate Umaru's lifestyle in real life from what you said. I may have been a bit brutal the last couple of replies. I am sorry.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I prefer it if you did not taunt me. I am sorry that I offended you earlier, I did not notice.

In which case, I find the tag genre to much more inclusive in regards than just typical works like Gochiusa, much like how I consider Gabriel Dropout to be one as well, alongside Non Non Biyori. In any case, I thought the main character was cute in both forms, but her personality is an extreme deviation from her normal appearance. Cute things are littered through the show. Kirie's protective nature (Often indicative of a pseudolesbian desire of the best friend in various animes), the beach episode, Ebina's shyness, etc. I fail to see where the show does not attempt to be cute, only that it fails in various places.



Huh, what are talking about? I didn't taunt you nor was I offended by anything.



I was referring to this quote.


It seems like we can't even agree on the genre


The winking and statements appear to be insulting me for creating an insipid argument.
Though at this point, I do not care if you like it. If it did not bother you, then it does not. This argument has been on the entertainment merits, rather then anything concerning of moral significance I would take real offense at, such Akatsuki from Rogue Hero is respectful to women or Himegoto is respectful to men and crossdressers. You were not attempting to validate Umaru's lifestyle in real life from what you said. I may have been a bit brutal the last couple of replies. I am sorry.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I was referring to this quote.


It seems like we can't even agree on the genre


The winking and statements appear to be insulting me for creating an insipid argument.
Though at this point, I do not care if you like it. If it did not bother you, then it does not. This argument has been on the entertainment merits, rather then anything concerning of moral significance I would take real offense at, such Akatsuki from Rogue Hero is respectful to women or Himegoto is respectful to men and crossdressers. You were not attempting to validate Umaru's lifestyle in real life from what you said. I may have been a bit brutal the last couple of replies. I am sorry.


I just tried to point out that we don't have the same opinion about almost everything regarding this show with some kind of joke. It obviously failed
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PV you are really overthinking this, it's just a comedy that uses an imouto instead of an adult woman like the manga and live action show it's copying Hotaru no Hikari.
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