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Yeah this was way too creepy, I could go on and on why the set up is ridiculous, but I'm sure everyone​ already realizes that. However when he finally got in her room and they started sexualizing her by having him look down her top etc that was too much. What is this geared to those weirdos who fantasize about keeping women locked up except this time it's voluntary? What is he going to do now train her how to live in the outside world? That is beyond creepy, raising a girl and training her after confining her in a room that's what sickos fantasize about. I felt dirty after watching this. And that's not even mentioning further sexualizing her by making her like to draw ecchi pictures using herself as a model. She's 12! I don't need to see anymore.


She confines herself out of her own consent, after their parents died, something Masumune opposed by delivering letters with her meals, asking her to come out. He did not make her draw, she did it by herself. Where did it say the pictures were based on her?

If anything, we should be applauding him for being the responsible one in the first place, even going as far as to avoid parts of the house at times for her to clean herself up, or take her meals.

Of course, I do have a problem with him catering to her too much.


Yeah I KNOW, but my point is you can't make him confine her in the show but to play to people who like that sort of thing you have to have her do it voluntarily otherwise the show couldn't be made.
When she was doing the net cast of eeomanga sensei drawing that character she took a picture of her own butt as a reference for the picture.
In what universe is it being responsible to not get your sister help when she's confined herself to a room for a year? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, he should have gotten her help a long time ago if he was in any way the least bit responsible.


You are correct, though I considered his age and earnings, and his ability. Keep in mind, he is 15 and a freshman out of middle school . The fact that he feeds her 3 meals is miraculous in itself, on top of trying to earn a little side money for living, though my catering comment wasn't about food, but enabling her lifestyle, which of course needs professional help. In any case, none of this does not hold up to real life scrutiny in realism and morality, but that would be not using the willing suspension of disbelief, which generally should not be applied to premises in of themselves.

Essentially, with the willing suspension of disbelief, you shouldn't lambaste the science of Harry Potter or the superpowers of A Certain Magical Index. Complaining about is to miss the point of creative freedom in general, to make stories that are not completely or at all plausible. These things that have to be law and go right for the living situation to happen do not have to be explained, we have to accept them as they are before we can start to enjoy the story.

Also, this is where I have a problem with your statement.


Yeah I KNOW, but my point is you can't make him confine her in the show but to play to people who like that sort of thing you have to have her do it voluntarily otherwise the show couldn't be made.


You are inferring an insidious intent by the author with shaky evidence on the scenario that is more than just a stretch. In other words, you are digging too deep, unnecessarily. This may or may not be a show about fetishized confinement. I do not see the evidence. It seems to be a case of paranoid fetish policing, in all honesty.

It is logical, however, to assume this plays to perverted imoutosexuals such as myself, and or lolicon fanatics. Sagiri did not have to be 12, nor draw porn. It did not have to be about siblings.

That certainly would be a deal breaker for most people. And I must have missed the butt portion. I am not sure where she modeled the ass based on her own, but the fact that she can draw pornagraphic or ecchi images is concerning enough I suppose.
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Nope. Made it through 3/4 of the episode and gave up. I don't care.


Yeah, I feel ya. Probably going to give it another episode or two to get interesting characters or something before it gets dropped.
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I think someone here is reading fetishes into things because this show is doing things for them. Open up, we won't judge you.


Oh that's funny where did you get that? Oh yeah from me, guess you ran out of your own comebacks. Don't you have a date with some mushrooms or something?
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Oh that's funny where did you get that? Oh yeah from me, guess you ran out of your own comebacks. Don't you have a date with some mushrooms or something?


Mushrooms? I'm confused.
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kkmenchi wrote:

Yeah this was way too creepy, I could go on and on why the set up is ridiculous, but I'm sure everyone​ already realizes that. However when he finally got in her room and they started sexualizing her by having him look down her top etc that was too much. What is this geared to those weirdos who fantasize about keeping women locked up except this time it's voluntary? What is he going to do now train her how to live in the outside world? That is beyond creepy, raising a girl and training her after confining her in a room that's what sickos fantasize about. I felt dirty after watching this. And that's not even mentioning further sexualizing her by making her like to draw ecchi pictures using herself as a model. She's 12! I don't need to see anymore.


I get what you're saying and I agree with some of it. I wasn't too crazy about her using herself as a model and HELLO SHE'S 12 HOW THE FUCK SHE DRAW LIKE SOMEONE TWICE HER AGE?! If I had her skillz I wouldn't be using them for ecchi light novels...


Also, is she shy? She was a little tsundereish towards Masamune. At least she's not as horrid as Kirino.

I also call bullshit on Masamune; I realize there's prodigies every so often, but for the most part...there's no way a fifteen year old is pounding out light novels that are somewhat successful.



Yeah I KNOW, but my point is you can't make him confine her in the show but to play to people who like that sort of thing you have to have her do it voluntarily otherwise the show couldn't be made.
When she was doing the net cast of eeomanga sensei drawing that character she took a picture of her own butt as a reference for the picture.
In what universe is it being responsible to not get your sister help when she's confined herself to a room for a year? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, he should have gotten her help a long time ago if he was in any way the least bit responsible.




You gotta understand though. The makers of this are amping up drama so they have a show. Otherwise, sure...if this was a drama or reality, Masamune probably would've gotten Sagiri some therapy.

Or maybe not? I dunno how NEETS in Japan work.


NEETs exist because they have someone to support their lifestyle, someone who would not take them to therapy. The reasoning is that Japan is not too modern with mental therapy. NEETs, suicides, etc. There is a stigma in Japan concerning this sort of thing, whereas the West are more open regarding mental help.

I also find your disbelief in Masamune being a successful writer as a teenager to be a bit nitpicky. This is fiction, and lambasting a premise as being too absurd in the realm of fiction is absurd in itself, anymore than saying Harry Potter cannot have magic or Percy Jackson cannot have the Greek Pantheon exist. Willing suspension of disbelief is what allows people to enjoy fiction.

Of course, that is because I never seen the series billed as realistic.
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You are correct, though I considered his age and earnings, and his ability. Keep in mind, he is 15 and a freshman out of middle school . The fact that he feeds her 3 meals is miraculous in itself, on top of trying to earn a little side money for living, though my catering comment wasn't about food, but enabling her lifestyle, which of course needs professional help. In any case, none of this does not hold up to real life scrutiny in realism and morality, but that would be not using the willing suspension of disbelief, which generally should not be applied to premises in of themselves.

Essentially, with the willing suspension of disbelief, you shouldn't lambaste the science of Harry Potter or the superpowers of A Certain Magical Index. Complaining about is to miss the point of creative freedom in general, to make stories that are not completely or at all plausible. These things that have to be law and go right for the living situation to happen do not have to be explained, we have to accept them as they are before we can start to enjoy the story.

Also, this is where I have a problem with your statement.


Yeah I KNOW, but my point is you can't make him confine her in the show but to play to people who like that sort of thing you have to have her do it voluntarily otherwise the show couldn't be made.


You are inferring an insidious intent by the author with shaky evidence on the scenario that is more than just a stretch. In other words, you are digging too deep, unnecessarily. This may or may not be a show about fetishized confinement. I do not see the evidence. It seems to be a case of paranoid fetish policing, in all honesty.

It is logical, however, to assume this plays to perverted imoutosexuals such as myself, and or lolicon fanatics. Sagiri did not have to be 12, nor draw porn. It did not have to be about siblings.

That certainly would be a deal breaker for most people. And I must have missed the butt portion. I am not sure where she modeled the ass based on her own, but the fact that she can draw pornagraphic or ecchi images is concerning enough I suppose.




I know anime plots are not real and the things that happen are a STRETCH.

...BUT LETS KEEP IT FUCKING REAL, THE AUDIENCE AND WHAT THE ANIME HAS TO OFFER, IS NOT A SECRET.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:


kkmenchi wrote:

Yeah this was way too creepy, I could go on and on why the set up is ridiculous, but I'm sure everyone​ already realizes that. However when he finally got in her room and they started sexualizing her by having him look down her top etc that was too much. What is this geared to those weirdos who fantasize about keeping women locked up except this time it's voluntary? What is he going to do now train her how to live in the outside world? That is beyond creepy, raising a girl and training her after confining her in a room that's what sickos fantasize about. I felt dirty after watching this. And that's not even mentioning further sexualizing her by making her like to draw ecchi pictures using herself as a model. She's 12! I don't need to see anymore.


I get what you're saying and I agree with some of it. I wasn't too crazy about her using herself as a model and HELLO SHE'S 12 HOW THE FUCK SHE DRAW LIKE SOMEONE TWICE HER AGE?! If I had her skillz I wouldn't be using them for ecchi light novels...


Also, is she shy? She was a little tsundereish towards Masamune. At least she's not as horrid as Kirino.

I also call bullshit on Masamune; I realize there's prodigies every so often, but for the most part...there's no way a fifteen year old is pounding out light novels that are somewhat successful.



Yeah I KNOW, but my point is you can't make him confine her in the show but to play to people who like that sort of thing you have to have her do it voluntarily otherwise the show couldn't be made.
When she was doing the net cast of eeomanga sensei drawing that character she took a picture of her own butt as a reference for the picture.
In what universe is it being responsible to not get your sister help when she's confined herself to a room for a year? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, he should have gotten her help a long time ago if he was in any way the least bit responsible.




You gotta understand though. The makers of this are amping up drama so they have a show. Otherwise, sure...if this was a drama or reality, Masamune probably would've gotten Sagiri some therapy.

Or maybe not? I dunno how NEETS in Japan work.


NEETs exist because they have someone to support their lifestyle, someone who would not take them to therapy. The reasoning is that Japan is not too modern with mental therapy. NEETs, suicides, etc. There is a stigma in Japan concerning this sort of thing, whereas the West are more open regarding mental help.

I also find your disbelief in Masamune being a successful writer as a teenager to be a bit nitpicky. This is fiction, and lambasting a premise as being too absurd in the realm of fiction is absurd in itself, anymore than saying Harry Potter cannot have magic or Percy Jackson cannot have the Greek Pantheon exist. Willing suspension of disbelief is what allows people to enjoy fiction.

Of course, that is because I never seen the series billed as realistic.



I admit, that's probably more jealously on my part. I know it's unrealistic.
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I admit, that's probably more jealously on my part. I know it's unrealistic.


I get jealous too, especially of Yuuji Kazami from Grisaia. He fucks a lot of girls, even in just one route. Hell, he banged Chizuru the principal, and his guardians/coworkers/older officers.

It sort of pisses me off in the extent that "nothing is sacred" sort of way.
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This anime's trope's is as follows

1.Lolicon
2.Incest
3.Sibling love
3.Fetish all the things butts, lolis, bro / sis love, feet, panties, masks you name it
4.Mystery Writer / Artist fetish
5.For some reason dead parents, idk about Father trope
6.Eroge all types
7.Neet
8.Catering to lil sis
9.More lolicons
10.Online pervs
11.School anime
12.Taking care of lil sis lolicon
13.fetishized confinement
14.cute girls doing perverted things
15.cute girls doing leude thing
16.cute girls doing cute things
17.Hitting on sisters cute loli friends
18.INB4 beach episode
19.INB4 hotspring episode
20.INB4 shared bath episode
21.Loli erotic drawings
22.Erotic drawings
23.And last but not least, possible incest sex implications

I know anime plots are not real and the things that happen are a STRETCH.

...BUT LETS KEEP IT FUCKING REAL, THE AUDIENCE AND WHAT THE ANIME HAS TO OFFER, IS NOT A SECRET.



I have to disagree with the NEET thing. They both seem to have jobs, even if one of them can barely function as a human being.
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I'm all for suspension of disbelief to enjoy a story I loved "No Game No Life" with many of these same things going on, imoutos, neets, etc. But that was all fantasy set in a fantasy world so it was easy. This show wants to take place in the real world with real world rules there's no fanatsy elements here so why should I pretend it's something it's not? The story is presenting elements that are making me ask questions which is leading me to more I can't be the only one who question things when logic is thrown out the window.

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Nogara-san wrote:

I admit, that's probably more jealously on my part. I know it's unrealistic.


I get jealous too, especially of Yuuji Kazami from Grisaia. He fucks a lot of girls, even in just one route. Hell, he banged Chizuru the principal, and his guardians/coworkers/older officers.

It sort of pisses me off in the extent that "nothing is sacred" sort of way.
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Mushrooms? I'm confused.


I assumed asexuals were attracted to other asexuals.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I get jealous too, especially of Yuuji Kazami from Grisaia. He fucks a lot of girls, even in just one route. Hell, he banged Chizuru the principal, and his guardians/coworkers/older officers.

It sort of pisses me off in the extent that "nothing is sacred" sort of way.


This anime's trope's is as follows

1.Lolicon
2.Incest
3.Sibling love
3.Fetish all the things butts, lolis, bro / sis love, feet, panties, masks you name it
4.Mystery Writer / Artist fetish
5.For some reason dead parents, idk about Father trope
6.Eroge all types
7.Neet
8.Catering to lil sis
9.More lolicons
10.Online pervs
11.School anime
12.Taking care of lil sis lolicon
13.fetishized confinement
14.cute girls doing perverted things
15.cute girls doing leude thing
16.cute girls doing cute things
17.Hitting on sisters cute loli friends
18.INB4 beach episode
19.INB4 hotspring episode
20.INB4 shared bath episode
21.Loli erotic drawings
22.Erotic drawings
23.And last but not least, possible incest sex implications

I know anime plots are not real and the things that happen are a STRETCH.



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I assumed asexuals were attracted to other asexuals.


What made you think that? Asexual means, quite simply, no sexual attraction or desire for sex.
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kkmenchi wrote:

I'm all for suspension of disbelief to enjoy a story I loved "No Game No Life" with many of these same things going on, imoutos, neets, etc. But that was all fantasy set in a fantasy world so it was easy. This show wants to take place in the real world with real world rules there's no fanatsy elements here so why should I pretend it's something it's not? The story is presenting elements that are making me ask questions which is leading me to more I can't be the only one who question things when logic is thrown out the window.



I tend to find it more useful for shows that lack supernatural elements to be their own universes. In extent, accept there are stories closely aligned with our world with some things different about them. It is not a biographical or historical account in Japan, it is anime Japan. You have to accept it as a work of creativity, and that it is meaningless to apply real life laws and such with such vigor, because it fights against the creative nature, which should be encouraged, that comes with fictional stories. Real life is an easier basis for writers to build upon, with the audience being familiar of the world, but it is important to acknowledge it as a story.

Essentially, it does not take place in the real world, but its own version of it. Slice of life in general tend to be unrealistic.
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I assumed asexuals were attracted to other asexuals.


Do not be so harsh. I think we are all....fun guys.
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