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Post Reply Is The Law on This Matter Fair?
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27 / M / Canada Ontario
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Posted 4/8/17
This information is based on Canadian law and from what I understand but may be wrong the law works the same in the US.

To explain this let me give you two scenarios.

First Scenario

Jane is not on birth control but informs John she is on birth control
Jane and John have sex and Jane gets pregnant.
John doesnt want a kid and asks Jane to get an abortion.
Jane refuses to get an abortion and John is forced to pay child support as the child is half his.

Second Scenario

Barbie and Ken talk it over and agree to have a baby.
Barbie and Ken have sex and Barbie gets pregnant.
With the pregnancy horomones and anxiety Barbie desides she no longer wants a baby.
Ken still wants the baby begs her to keep it even offers to raise the child himself.
Barbie refuses and gets an abortion as legally speaking upon this decision the child is no longer Ken's even though biologically it is his.

So if the man wishes to keep the kid the woman does not have to take responsability and let him keep it.
But if the woman wishes to keep the kid the man is forced to take responsability.

But there are some other factors to consider it is the womans body housing the baby. But even still is this fair?
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Posted 4/10/17
Works basically the same in the U.S. sadly. No kids yet and please no kids till I'm finished with my 2nd degree,
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Posted 4/10/17
Good question. Same with divorce. Women get preferential treatment.
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27 / M / Canada Ontario
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Posted 4/10/17
I notice most votes saying "no better way to handle it"

What if when the child is born the man can with reason say he didnt want the child. He still has to pay child support but when the kid hits 25 for example the mother has to start paying the guy back.

This would help reduce the women who lie to get knocked up just for the pay check. Which happens way more often than you might think.

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Posted 4/10/17
There is no real way to resolve the issue, unless you require every time you have sex with someone to sign a contract regarding their understanding of the situation and what they want to have done with the child if they should conceive.

I think we can all agree this would be utterly absurd.

The only other thing that you could really do is outlaw abortion unless certain circumstances are met (medical). Of course if they wanted to go further, they could require both parents sign over the rights, and if the biological father is faked, he'll have grounds for identity fraud charges to be raised as well as whatever the government wants to assign as a punishment for violating abortion law for the mother.

The problem is too difficult to ascertain how to handle. As such, I have no real answer to the question. I just have my own values, and I refuse to get an abortion.
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25 / M / The wrong side of...
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Posted 4/12/17
life is just plain unfair
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21 / M / Tokyo/Seoul Bound
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Posted 4/13/17
Not fair and most laws are disgusting or can be taken advantage of
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27 / M / Canada Ontario
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Posted 4/13/17
Is the poll votes screwed up for everyone or just me?
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18 / F / USA
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Posted 5/12/17
I do believe should be able to get an abortion if they can't raise the kid or something else because it is her body and her life but if the father wants it and will take care of it then I think it should be brought in court.
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Posted 5/12/17
If she did it on purpose then is not cool.

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31 / M / Ontario
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Posted 5/12/17 , edited 5/12/17
That's the way it goes. There is no good way to go about it.

Now, if all guys got that new gel or what have you injected into their scrotum that stops sperm from getting out.. that may be a different story. That way guys can get checked to see if they are still pumping out soldiers (so to speak) on a relatively routine basis to make sure it still works, then you don't have to worry about any of these situations at all.

That and your hand can't get pregnant.

EDIT: I mean, if it were safe enough and easily reversible, make it borderline mandatory for guys to get it.
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Posted 5/12/17
It's not fair, but I don't see a way around it.

In the first scenario, it could turn into a he said/she said situation in which it's not clear who is telling the truth, so there wouldn't be a concrete way for the guy to get out of the situation even if the girl was in the wrong. Yeah, it sucks and there are women out there who do that to men, but how do you figure out who the liar is?

In the second scenario... well how do you find any middle ground in that situation? Either the lady carries the baby to full term or she doesn't. Personally I think "give the baby to Ken" is more morally correct than the other option, but in the end the person carrying the baby is the one who is going to have the final say. That's just the way it is.
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Posted 5/15/17
life isn't fair why should the law be fair
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Posted 6/3/17
I think both parents should have equal say.

I don't think abortion should be allowed unless BOTH parents agree.

If the father does not want to raise the child and the mother does not want an abortion, the father has to pay child support.

If the mother does not want the child, but the father refuses to agree to abortion...the father will raise the child and the mother will pay child support.
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Posted 6/4/17
This law is full of holes.
As of now I don't see a way to fix it. There are too many scenarios, in which 1 of the 2 will unavoidably get the short end of the stick.
What I do see are ways to (kind of) prevent it.

In scenario 1 John took a risk when he decided to believe Jane and had unprotected sex with her. (She could have actually been using it and still gotten pregnant. It wouldn't change much. He could have worn a condom and the condom could have ripped. He could've made her sign a contract -which is a bit too much- or not have had sex with her.)

Scenario 2 is a bit more tricky, but could have had a happier ending if they had planned parenthood more carefully. Barbie and Ken probably should've had there family trees checked out to see if any deceases, depression or anxiety were common in there family and done a few blood tests. Pre-parenthood counseling could've helped as well. (This doesn't really guarantee anything either.)
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