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Post Reply What If The Chemical Attack Was Not Asad's Doing? What If It Was The Rebels?
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Posted 4/16/17 , edited 4/16/17
We're being sold lies, there's always 2 sides to the story and then there's the truth. Painting Assad as the bad guy to me, seems like the easiest thing for any news outlet to do, he can seem like any other dictator, like Saddam in Iraq and Ghadaffi in Libya. Although I dislike those two individuals, after they were taken down from power their countries went to shit and are still a long way from recovering.

I'm not sure where I stand with Assad but I'll use my dad's opinion here and say he doesn't seem to be the bad guy. There's something much deeper going on that has ISIS and Saudi Arabia involved in this mess as well as america's big guns who are doing shit behind the scenes #conspiracy

But yeh who knows maybe he's telling the truth every time he's interviewed about the chaos there, condemning the attacks. Maybe hes guilty, but in my mind I don't believe it.

Just saying Iraq wasn't destroyed by the time the war was over, even though news outlets made it seem like the people were living under rubble, the country was completely fine, it was just the aftermath of it all that really made a mess - current government and parliament being the biggest cause of concern. If the people pulling the strings in your country are corrupt then who is gonna step up to make a difference?
The same thing is happening to syria right now, EXCEPT syrian people love Assad and only a small percentage hate him whereas most shi'as in iraq (a predominantly shi'a country) hated Saddam for the shit he pulled towards shi'as and Kurds.

I could go on but my brain is fried
and i didn't even get to talk about the rebels
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I find it odd Assad would drop a bunch of gas when ISIS is being pushed back, his forces are winning, and the other rebels are gaining no ground. Assad is WINNING on all fronts so what does he do? Uses some chemical weapons when conventional weapons are winning him the war when he knows chemical weapons can cause international issues? Why would you use chemical weapons when your winning?
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What if reality wasn't real?
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vanguard1234523 wrote:

What if reality wasn't real?


Then we would be in the Matrix. Do you want the blue pill? Or the red pill?
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Not a bad theory. But were making a mistake getting involved at all to be truthful. Syria really isn't our problem.
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Not a bad theory. But were making a mistake getting involved at all to be truthful. Syria really isn't our problem.


"Getting involved?" We've been mixed up in this mess for almost eight years. The last administration got us involved without any clear objectives, or without any real plan for achieving any objectives. Since we've been mixed up in this mess, we can't just leave. We've got to finish this.

Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya too. We've started shit in those countries and left it a real mess. At the very least, we need to make ISIS extinct.

The question is, "how?"

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"Getting involved?" We've been mixed up in this mess for almost eight years. The last administration got us involved without any clear objectives, or without any real plan for achieving any objectives. Since we've been mixed up in this mess, we can't just leave. We've got to finish this.

Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya too. We've started shit in those countries and left it a real mess. At the very least, we need to make ISIS extinct.

The question is, "how?"


In fairness, Syria started itself and presented a situation that was unacceptable to the international community ( Minus Russia of course, who have decided to cement their place in modern history as low tier Bond villains ). By which I mean Assad responded to peaceful protests during the Arab spring by simply having the protesters shot and torturing children to death. Russia looked at that and went "Eh, this is fine.".

Iraq you could have totally left alone though and saved yourself an immense amount of grief.
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descloud wrote:

Not a bad theory. But were making a mistake getting involved at all to be truthful. Syria really isn't our problem.


"Getting involved?" We've been mixed up in this mess for almost eight years. The last administration got us involved without any clear objectives, or without any real plan for achieving any objectives. Since we've been mixed up in this mess, we can't just leave. We've got to finish this.

Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya too. We've started shit in those countries and left it a real mess. At the very least, we need to make ISIS extinct.

The question is, "how?"



I know believe me. And you are not in the wrong. I just don't think we should have gotten directly involved in Syria is what I mean. It was one thing with the proxy wars in Afghanistan. It's totally different story to destroy chemical weapons that could have killed Russia personnel. Because now we are at the bring of war with Russia. Assad isn't worth a war with Russia.
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That is if you can take Putin at his word


The thing kids now a days don't get since they didn't grow up with it is a healthy disrespect for the KGB, this is important to have when dealing with Russia since Putin is old school KGB. You can't trust him he is trying badly to rebuild the old Soviet Union with himself in charge. all his action come right out of the old KGB playbook.

So don't trust Putin he is old KGB.
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I find it odd Assad would drop a bunch of gas when ISIS is being pushed back, his forces are winning, and the other rebels are gaining no ground. Assad is WINNING on all fronts so what does he do? Uses some chemical weapons when conventional weapons are winning him the war when he knows chemical weapons can cause international issues? Why would you use chemical weapons when your winning?


Isn't so odd if you consider it this way. Putin wanted to give Trump a target to attack. This gave him an excuse to attack that no one would question. And Assad knows his life depends on Putin so he would be more than willing to gas his people oh wait they aren't his people so two birds one stone, makes Putin happy and kill some rebels. So he takes a little heat he is used to it as long as the Bear has his back.


That was a really effective strike on that airbase yup really effective up and running in 16 hours. Back in the old days when we leveled an airbase we leveled it and cratered the runway so it could be used for a few months yes months not days takes time and effort when some one puts a bunch of 30 foot deep holes in the runway to fix it.

So yeah no reason Assad shouldn't do Putin's bidding

Oh before you push back enjoy the read. https://apnews.com/19772be1238e49fbb62c509a5b659b3d/Official:-Russia-knew-in-advance-of-Syrian-chemical-attack
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Even if it wasn't Assad I still feel he is responsible. He's been bombing civilians for years. If he wasn't and this happened out of the blue some might question who is really behind it. But because government forces have attack civilians before it's entirely plausible even if it was a setup.
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I have so little trust in our own government that I don't believe anything they say actually I now believe the opposite. I also don't believe anything on the news and see it as a form of entertainment and take as a grain of salt
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Let me be clear, I'm playing devil's advocate, here. I don't want to say that my theory is definitely what happened. It could very well be, that Assad was testing President Trump, and actually did attack with a single WMD weapon, just to see what kind of response he'd get.

Well.... Now he knows.

However, Putin's initial reaction indicates that he was kind of surprised by this. This certainly puts egg on his face, because Assad assured him he gave up all of his WMDs.... He made Putin look like a liar.

Assad probably thinks Putin needs him, but he's forgetting that Putin can just replace him with someone from Assad's team, and just prop that guy up.
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New information has surfaced. To lend even more doubt to the validity of whether the attack was staged.

I played devil's advocate, because after our war in Iraq on evidence that turned out to be faked, I wasn't completely ready to believe that Assad was responsible. So, while I thought, "Yeah, there they are, nerve gas attack victims." I also thought, "What a crappy deployment of that weapon system."

Now I will make a confession. I have not actually seen any of the videos, until just a few moments before. I had to go back and look to see for myself. Truly the footage was shocking and graphic, but I found many, many problems with the video.

Most glaring of all was that the people rendering medical attention were not wearing protective equipment. This means that nerve agents on the victims are spreading to the medical team, and contaminating the hospital.

Second, that the people bringing in the victims were handling the victims right after the attack. That means that those guys taking victims out of the cars and bringing them into the hospital went into a contaminated area. They should not have been able to return. They should have been at the scene, become victims, themselves.

A training film for hospital medical staff receiving mass casualties of chemical agent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NGdFoImOw

Here's what it would look like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_GnKfjwV04

Every hospital in the world has some kind of decontamination process usually regulated by government agency. Some are better at it than others.

However, the video of the attack shows this:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000005028211/syria-chemical-attack-heres-what-happened.html

The first responders were running around in the target area trying to help victims... But they aren't wearing any chemical protective equipment. They should have succumbed to contamination.

You saw that there was some attempt at decontamination of the victims, but "rescue personnel" were running in and out of the decon site. They should have got sick. Military grade nerve agents are designed to stick around from a few hours, to several days. Those guys were there right after the attack.

By the way, the White Helmets are credited as contributers to the video. The "Syrian Civil Defense. A.K.A. the White Helmets."

https://www.google.com/search?q=syrian+civil+defense&client=ubuntu&hs=piU&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjozq7cn7fTAhUO0GMKHRVeDUAQ_AUICSgC&biw=1284&bih=884

Here's the new information:

This video goes into explaining who the White Helmets are, and shows footage of staged attacks. Very detailed and lasts about 25 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s85QOmIYfLw

EDIT:

Here's another video that goes into the technical reasons that casts doubts into whether a nerve agent attack had occurred. Very detailed and lasts a little over five minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCqeDhMOoys
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What could you possibly mean? It's not like the rebels have been caught using chemical weapons MULTIPLE TIMES. Oh wait, yes they have.

Yeah, I was kind of like "huh" when the news coverage we saw on the attack just automatically assumed it as Assad. I mean, it could have been him, but it seemed kind of strange to me that they basically presented the story like that right away given that the rebels aren't above using chemical weapons.
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