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Post Reply Should U.S. make April 9 (end of Civil War) a national holiday?
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Just to be clear, it would be a cool holiday and I agree with the idea. I'm just saying I could see some people being upset at it.
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It's too partisan in nature. One side will inevitably be offended.
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many Southerners don't acknowledge that Lee surrendered, because he did so with out permission from President Jackson.





President Andrew Jackson was long dead, and he had personally threatened to hang the secessionists down in SC when they threatened secession when he was president.

Jefferson Davis was the president of the CSA.
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MysticGon wrote:

It's too partisan in nature. One side will inevitably be offended.


Why? Preservation of one's country is something every patriotic American should be able to celebrate.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

It's too partisan in nature. One side will inevitably be offended.


Why? Preservation of one's country is something every patriotic American should be able to celebrate.


Yeah I agree but you know how Democrats handle losses. You can't just have a day celebrating one of their biggest. It's insensitive. Plus there aren't enough shop windows in the world to satisfy the resulting rage.
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Mastersluthier wrote:

the South WILL rise again there is no doubt in many Southerners minds that the moment to strike has not yet come, but it will.
and the people of the North will accept it gratefully.


nah theres too many... lets put it this way... theres too many people like me around who wouldn't let the south rise again. the old south is dead, but we got many things to be proud about.

SEC Football, good food and music. the best looking girls in the union, and better weather.

sure our politics are crappy and the history is horrible but thats about it, or the south would be so much better than the north.
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I'd say yes, it's a time which cannot be forgotten, and like another said, an important part of history, no matter how ugly and brutal it was.
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MysticGon wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

It's too partisan in nature. One side will inevitably be offended.


Why? Preservation of one's country is something every patriotic American should be able to celebrate.


Yeah I agree but you know how Democrats handle losses. You can't just have a day celebrating one of their biggest. It's insensitive. Plus there aren't enough shop windows in the world to satisfy the resulting rage.


Those who would be insulted would be the Southern Republicans because back during the Civil War they were Democrats. It's all confusing how the parties swapped citizens.
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MysticGon wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

It's too partisan in nature. One side will inevitably be offended.


Why? Preservation of one's country is something every patriotic American should be able to celebrate.


Yeah I agree but you know how Democrats handle losses. You can't just have a day celebrating one of their biggest. It's insensitive. Plus there aren't enough shop windows in the world to satisfy the resulting rage.


Those who would be insulted would be the Southern Republicans because back during the Civil War they were Democrats. It's all confusing how the parties swapped citizens.


Not really, but it is indicative of how easy it is to get a "big lie" out and for it to be believed
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MysticGon wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

It's too partisan in nature. One side will inevitably be offended.


Why? Preservation of one's country is something every patriotic American should be able to celebrate.


Yeah I agree but you know how Democrats handle losses. You can't just have a day celebrating one of their biggest. It's insensitive. Plus there aren't enough shop windows in the world to satisfy the resulting rage.


Yeah cause the confederate sympathizers today are definitely voting blue.

The vast bulk of that regressive portion of the conservative vote swung over to the Republicans in the 20th century. Pretending the modern parties are ideologically identical to their historical counterparts and occupy the same spot on the political spectrum is just dishonest.

You are right though in that this same portion of the vote handles defeat very, very poorly, as they are still waving that stupid flag like it signifies anything worthy of fond remembrance.
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I think it would bea bold thing to do, there are different point of views about how some people dont want to think about what happened. It was a war on our own grounds after all.
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jeffcoatstephen wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

Yeah I agree but you know how Democrats handle losses. You can't just have a day celebrating one of their biggest. It's insensitive. Plus there aren't enough shop windows in the world to satisfy the resulting rage.


Those who would be insulted would be the Southern Republicans because back during the Civil War they were Democrats. It's all confusing how the parties swapped citizens.


Just because you are not proud of your party's past doesn't mean you can just disown it and pass it on to the party you don't like.
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jeffcoatstephen wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

Yeah I agree but you know how Democrats handle losses. You can't just have a day celebrating one of their biggest. It's insensitive. Plus there aren't enough shop windows in the world to satisfy the resulting rage.


Those who would be insulted would be the Southern Republicans because back during the Civil War they were Democrats. It's all confusing how the parties swapped citizens.


Just because you are not proud of your party's past doesn't mean you can just disown it and pass it on to the party you don't like.


No. You can't do that, you can't just completely ignore ideological transformations in both major political parties because you don't like democrats. Like it or not the party that taps into the same regressive ethos that created the confederacy is currently the Republican party. So no modern day democrats don't have to own the party's past stances when the Republicans are their true ideological inheritors. The names are the same but their positions on the political spectrum are totally different, and your assertion that Democrats would somehow be upset about the end of the civil war even though the defeated party is one opposite to their present day positions is frankly absurd. It's really simple back in the day the democrats tapped into this well of despicable racist sentiment, and in the present day the republicans are appealing to the same. So I dislike the modern Republican party for the same reasons I dislike the historical democratic party, and I like the modern democratic party for the same reasons I like the historical republican party. Because of the content of their ideologies in their respective temporal moments not because of what they called themselves.

Not doing so would be a surface level distinction that's really convenient if you want to foist blame for the confederacy off on the Democrats without actually applying any critical thought on the matter. Cause any critical thought on the matter would suggest that the majority of the neo-confederates upset at how the Civil War turned out are voting Republican in present day. So the suggestion that modern day democrats would be grinding their teeth at the south losing the war is patently ridiculous. What are you asserting that the present day Democrats would be upset at the war simply because they lost in the past regardless of any ideological differences? Cause that just seems like you're trying really hard to pin the tail on the donkey because it's the chosen symbol of the opposing party.

Basically the premise you're forwarding makes a lot of sense until you actually think about it or try to apply it in some real world context. It makes no logical sense that modern democrats would be upset at the loss of past democrats considering the modern democratic party is a much different beast than the old one. You want ownership of the past though? Fine. The historical democratic party was the party of the confederacy and it lost the civil war. I'm happy with that because the historical democratic party was a piece of shit for supporting the confederacy, just like the modern republican party is shit for appealing to it's dregs.
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Posted 4/10/17 , edited 4/10/17

MysticGon wrote:


jeffcoatstephen wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

Yeah I agree but you know how Democrats handle losses. You can't just have a day celebrating one of their biggest. It's insensitive. Plus there aren't enough shop windows in the world to satisfy the resulting rage.


Those who would be insulted would be the Southern Republicans because back during the Civil War they were Democrats. It's all confusing how the parties swapped citizens.


Just because you are not proud of your party's past doesn't mean you can just disown it and pass it on to the party you don't like.


A lot of the concerns about slavery back then was about the states rights to be a slave state, something traditionally considered the motto of conservatives who made up the democrats back then.

At this point, parties due to political realignments are the philosophical question of the ship. If I replaced each board on a ship, whilst on a long journey, in small increment, to which every board is replaced, is it the same ship that would come home?

In any case, why see things from party views that change many times over many years? Or even left right views? This is trying to pin a left right tag on Hitler. In any case, things like slavery could be supported with leftist views, whilst parties have changed their views over time.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_realignment_in_the_United_States

Yeah yeah, Wikipedia.

What I am saying is, it does not matter, nor is your claim considered historically accurate.
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nah theres too many... lets put it this way... theres too many people like me around who wouldn't let the south rise again. the old south is dead, but we got many things to be proud about.

SEC Football, good food and music. the best looking girls in the union, and better weather.

sure our politics are crappy and the history is horrible but thats about it, or the south would be so much better than the north.


Seems to me that the primary reason why it wouldn't happen is because most of today's youth in the South don't really give a damn, and usually use the Confederate flag and "south will rise" without any ill intent. It's now pop culture references and what is startlingly akin to the use of football slogans.

Funnily enough, I moved up North six years ago, and one of the first things I noticed is that your roughly as likely to see jacked up trucks and camo here as you are down South.
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