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Posted 4/25/17 , edited 4/25/17
I think the studio got it wrong. Clearly they went for even more fanservice vs. content than season 1. There were many who watched the the first season not because of the fanservice but everything else and I'm one of those. So except to those few who wanted more fanservice (and really as if there wasn't plenty already) they do a season that is nothing but fanservice. What they don't seem to get is that season 1 was good NOT because of fanservice but because it had more to it that attracted a larger fanbase, a fanbase they are now pissing off.
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This show is more of a side story than a true sequel or spin off, its the main story from Ais and Lefiya perspective. If the first two episodes are an indication of the show's direction then it will be disappointing compared to the main story, Lefiya is not the most appealing character but rather
seems annoying at times and Ais quiet persona dosent help much either.
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Well truth be told, the anime seems to be more based off the manga which it follows pretty damn closely. Or the Manga is following it since its just caught up. But yes doesnt follow the LN, which I do not think all have been translated yet offically?

As for this show itself, it feels like you only get something out of it if you did watch the first series. It honestly just feels like "this is what happend from their side". Not the story of Aiz or anything at all, really just like, a diffrent camra angle of the first series. I mean, we got some extra stuff. We see a bit more of Aiz and how she is, what her own faimilia thinks of her. 'shrug' Not sure what people wanted exactly. It wasnt going to be a sequal that was announced well in advance. Just a mirror of the other series. While Bell was here, Aiz was here. They will meet up at the same points.

Edit: You know, Leyfa was in the original series. She shows up like twice in the background.
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Well truth be told, the anime seems to be more based off the manga which it follows pretty damn closely. Or the Manga is following it since its just caught up. But yes doesnt follow the LN, which I do not think all have been translated yet offically?

As for this show itself, it feels like you only get something out of it if you did watch the first series. It honestly just feels like "this is what happend from their side". Not the story of Aiz or anything at all, really just like, a diffrent camra angle of the first series. I mean, we got some extra stuff. We see a bit more of Aiz and how she is, what her own faimilia thinks of her. 'shrug' Not sure what people wanted exactly. It wasnt going to be a sequal that was announced well in advance. Just a mirror of the other series. While Bell was here, Aiz was here. They will meet up at the same points.

Edit: You know, Leyfa was in the original series. She shows up like twice in the background.



We should be caught up with the main series by next year. We are on LN 8 here in the states. It currently is at LN 11 in japan. But you are right it seems both animes follow the manga to a T rather then the LN. Lets hope the manga follows LN 6 and later to a T. That really is funny. But people are expecting like what Deen did with konosuba at least for the first season. They were very faithful to the LN, and it was really good. Theywere expecting that type of quality content wise I'm guessing.
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Dushan wrote:


Well truth be told, the anime seems to be more based off the manga which it follows pretty damn closely. Or the Manga is following it since its just caught up. But yes doesnt follow the LN, which I do not think all have been translated yet offically?

As for this show itself, it feels like you only get something out of it if you did watch the first series. It honestly just feels like "this is what happend from their side". Not the story of Aiz or anything at all, really just like, a diffrent camra angle of the first series. I mean, we got some extra stuff. We see a bit more of Aiz and how she is, what her own faimilia thinks of her. 'shrug' Not sure what people wanted exactly. It wasnt going to be a sequal that was announced well in advance. Just a mirror of the other series. While Bell was here, Aiz was here. They will meet up at the same points.

Edit: You know, Leyfa was in the original series. She shows up like twice in the background.



We should be caught up with the main series by next year. We are on LN 8 here in the states. It currently is at LN 11 in japan. But you are right it seems both animes follow the manga to a T rather then the LN. Lets hope the manga follows LN 6 and later to a T. That really is funny. But people are expecting like what Deen did with konosuba at least for the first season. They were very faithful to the LN, and it was really good. Theywere expecting that type of quality content wise I'm guessing.


I think we can all agree that this season is really the same story as season one just from another POV. With a great deal more fanservice added. That it follows the manga is really no excuse. A studio does have some discretion in how and what it chooses to animate and in what order. It can also draw on the LN as well as the mangas if it wants. There was no reason it couldn't skip this volume for now and do it later. For me who hasn't read either the LN or mangas but only seen season 1, having a second season like this is a major disappointment. It would have been better timed as a filler season later when they had done more of the main storyline.
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I completely concur with Cobaltseas. I don't care what it's following, but simply a different POV should only be shown if it actually adds a decent amount of new information and intrigue. This hasn't done that. It hasn't added much more than maybe a 1/2 episode of new information and much of it has simply been a rehash with some fanservice added. The main character of this series hasn't been expanded and still seems to have the personality of a piece of toast.
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Well Sword Oratoria is about Aiz and her pov, activities and growth behind the scenes during the main series. I never cared for this Side story series. But then again I really never cared about Aiz.
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I agree with a lot of whats said here. I would of liked MORE story over a side story, but ill take something over nothing. Never really cared for Aiz myself as the heros object of affection. Really hoping for something more along the lines of Bell relizing he just admired how strong she was and when he gets to that point sees her like a comrad in arms. Currently it seems like they are trying to set her up as a romance goal.

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Episode 3

Loki is out at a banquet for gods as Monsterphilia approaches, which is the fighting tournament Freya causes trouble at and sends monsters into town. Once again, Loki is acting perverted, while Aiz is cutting down all the monsters. But there's a plant boss that's giving everybody a tough time. Lefiya comes through with a rare spell to freeze that plant, a gamble that pays off seeing that this plant can detect magic as its being cast. That quite an impressive spell by Lefiya showing that she's a worthy member of Aiz's familia.
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E3

Finally Lefiya did something big, so let's hope that trend continues. 1000 blizzards/pyroblasts sounds good man.

"I can tell by the look in your eyes" *camera pans to Dionysus' face with closed eyes* . I don't recall him from S1, so I guess it's one of the main plots for this series.
Next up? A murder.

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Great, another anime I got into, got upset because it ended in the middle of nowhere, & now I can't watch it unless I pirate it, because it's on another paid premium service that's locked behind a secondary premium membership service on top of the first one.

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Lefiya did something for once? Is today opposite day?

Oh well. I'm still slightly annoyed at how she keeps hogging all the oxygen in the room and doesn't let us see what Aiz is thinking. At least she wasn't dead weight this time. I was surprised to see Freya again and that there were some monsters that she didn't even know were running lose. Instead, it looked like that guy at the end was responsible. Wasn't that guy one of the gods talking to Loki at the party?

Better episode than last week's. Although to be fair, it's not like it was difficult to be better than whatever that was.
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Yeah, that guy at the end should of been the god at the party. Wasnt he the the god of wine or something? Im sure ive heard his name before like in hercules or something. Anyways. Good episode. More gods, more side story while still directly tied to the main plot.

Kinda funny, but this feels like...like one of those side storys that comes out years later that trys to say "Yeah, you know the main story, but did you know these even more amazing things were happening here?! This, is that story" Which some times can be annyoing if they try to top the source material.

One of Bell's big moments of growth, but you ya know what, thats nothing. Check out the girl that casts 1000 spells at once fighting a giant plant boss. Screw the knife boy fighting a monkey story, who needs that?

Though maybe thats what the author was going for. To show how puny Bell really is in comparison to real familias, since we really only had him as a focus most of the show.

Edit: Yeah Dionsyus. Wine god. Dont remember who Demetre is though.
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Edit: Yeah Dionsyus. Wine god. Dont remember who Demetre is though.


Demeter is the Goddess of Agriculture in Greek mythology.
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Yeah, that guy at the end should of been the god at the party. Wasnt he the the god of wine or something? Im sure ive heard his name before like in hercules or something. Anyways. Good episode. More gods, more side story while still directly tied to the main plot.

Kinda funny, but this feels like...like one of those side storys that comes out years later that trys to say "Yeah, you know the main story, but did you know these even more amazing things were happening here?! This, is that story" Which some times can be annyoing if they try to top the source material.

One of Bell's big moments of growth, but you ya know what, thats nothing. Check out the girl that casts 1000 spells at once fighting a giant plant boss. Screw the knife boy fighting a monkey story, who needs that?

Though maybe thats what the author was going for. To show how puny Bell really is in comparison to real familias, since we really only had him as a focus most of the show.

Edit: Yeah Dionsyus. Wine god. Dont remember who Demetre is though.


Sort of get what you're saying. But an episode or two about the Loki familia would have sufficed to do that. A whole season about a minor side character is a bit much. I could understand a season about Aiz, since she really didn't have much personality and could use some as a main character. Though I admit I never felt the need, since I liked Aiz well enough but never felt enough interest for her to know more. But why should I care about Lefiya and her issues? Why should I believe that the Loki familia would ever risk themselves for a mage who can't perform under stress even if she is level 3? And have the patience, not to mention put their live on the line until she can?

Besides they run the risk of just making Lefiya too powerful. Ultimately she isn't supposed to be able to compare with Bell. Bell is what he is because unknown to himself he is a son of Zeus. He is real familia, though he may be a newbie in a familia of one. As Bell says the blessing is the same no matter the god. So a newbie in any familia is still a newbie. And it would hardly be fair to compare Bell at level 1 of the first few episodes in ability to a level 3 mage. So if you're right and the point is to show what a "real" familia can do, I'm getting way more than I need to make that point, and I'm not even sure that point is being made. Nor needed to be made. Certainly not for whole season.

BTW- Demeter was the goddess of harvests, grains etc.
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