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Post Reply Arrests made as protesters clash at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arrests-made-as-protesters-clash-at-pro-trump-rally-in-berkeley/ar-BBzSqR9?OCID=ansmsnnews11

oh hey, its berkeley again
this is like the 3rd or 4th time now in less than half a year?
By early afternoon, Berkeley police said 13 people had been arrested and officers had seized what was described as contraband. Dozens of officers in riot gear monitored the volatile demonstrations.

By noon, most of the anti-Trump protesters emptied onto Allston Way, bordering the park. The pro-Trump demonstrators stayed in the park, where people in the opposing groups threw soda cans at each other. Minutes later, the makeshift barrier dividing the sides snapped, and a huge brawl broke out as both sides began punching and kicking each other.

Trump protesters, waving red-and-black anarchy flags, marched around the park, periodically stopping to clash with the Trump supporters.
Ben Bergquam of Fresno emerged from the crowd with blood streaming down his face. He held a crumpled “Stop Liberal Intolerance” sign in his hand
I got hit in the back of the head with some sticks,” he said as another activist wrapped gauze around his wound. “I don’t agree with everything Trump says, but I don’t agree with violence.” Nearby, others gathered around a man who was lying in the grass, blood flowing from his head
Lincoln Smith, a 45-year-old man who came to show solidarity against Trump, acknowledged that some of the attendees were overly intense, including a woman who had accused him of being a Trump supporter because he was wearing red shoelaces.

“I’m here to support the message that hate speech is not free speech,” Smith said
The rally follows violent eruptions at other recent conservative or pro-Trump events in Berkeley. In March, 10 people were arrested and many others bloodied and bruised as fistfights broke out between marchers and counterprotesters, including crowds of masked anarchists, at a rally supporting Trump at Civic Center Park. The month before that, a violent protest forced the cancellation of a speech at UC Berkeley by right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos.

Concern that Saturday’s rally could turn similarly bloody led to the cancellation of the weekly farmers’ market next to Civic Center Park, marking the first non-weather-related shutdown of the popular event in 30 years
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It was apparently concerning at a speaking demonstration by Lauren Southern. My only concern is that Lauren Southern is only 21, and barely a year older than me. What does she know about politics?

Hell, what do I know? I made a great deal of claims and I think most of mine are craptacular.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It was apparently concerning at a speaking demonstration by Lauren Southern. My only concern is that Lauren Southern is only 21, and barely a year older than me. What does she know about politics?

Hell, what do I know? I made a great deal of claims and I think most of mine are craptacular.


who is lauren?
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redokami wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It was apparently concerning at a speaking demonstration by Lauren Southern. My only concern is that Lauren Southern is only 21, and barely a year older than me. What does she know about politics?

Hell, what do I know? I made a great deal of claims and I think most of mine are craptacular.


who is lauren?


She was giving a speech at the protected end of the park, though it may have been for the rally,, instead of the rally being for her and Trump. Not sure. She is a Canadian Conservative Libertarian who worked for Rebel media.

She is just 21 though. Not that I have seen many smart adults, particularly in political commentary, but there is just over a year between birth dates. What does she know? Hell, what do I know? I am pretty stupid on politics.


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-trump-rally-20170415-story.html
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It was apparently concerning at a speaking demonstration by Lauren Southern. My only concern is that Lauren Southern is only 21, and barely a year older than me. What does she know about politics?

Hell, what do I know? I made a great deal of claims and I think most of mine are craptacular.


...and that means you should be prevented, through violence, from making those claims?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It was apparently concerning at a speaking demonstration by Lauren Southern. My only concern is that Lauren Southern is only 21, and barely a year older than me. What does she know about politics?

Hell, what do I know? I made a great deal of claims and I think most of mine are craptacular.


...and that means you should be prevented, through violence, from making those claims?


You misunderstood me. I was not making a claim on the justification of violence, but the propping up of ideologues just because they have great ideas, regardless of how they reason it out. This seems especially wrong when applied to people barely out of high school and just barely into university.

It is essentially right for the wrong reasons. I am stupid, and I am just 20. She is 21. I have to wonder what difference there is? People praise her ideas as they do mine, but is it really an adulation based off of the volume of critical thinking or "I just happened to agree with" sort of thing?
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Ok, I'm definitively not a Trump fan but I'm thinking these anti-Trump folk aren't helping themselves seem sane looking at the article -

"Lincoln Smith, a 45-year-old man who came to show solidarity against Trump, acknowledged that some of the attendees were overly intense, including a woman who had accused him of being a Trump supporter because he was wearing red shoelaces".
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Both sides went into this looking for a fight and I think both sides of this should be ignored
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It was apparently concerning at a speaking demonstration by Lauren Southern. My only concern is that Lauren Southern is only 21, and barely a year older than me. What does she know about politics?

Hell, what do I know? I made a great deal of claims and I think most of mine are craptacular.


Ooh - have you caught the expertise bug? This is a good thing *pats head*.
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same old same old nothing new.
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Both sides went into this looking for a fight and I think both sides of this should be ignored


I agree with this

Though I particularly don't like antifa, bunch of communist
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I guess they don't teach the idea of free speech in school anymore.
Regardless of which side you are on, if you resort to violence you damage the credibility of your position/viewpoint.
I wish these idiots could give it a break and grow the hell up already.
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uncletim wrote:

Both sides went into this looking for a fight and I think both sides of this should be ignored


I agree with this

Though I particularly don't like antifa, bunch of communist


and the alt-right is a bunch of nazis so let them kill each other I say
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