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petition to declare antifa as a terroist group
Posted 4/17/17
Classifying ANTIFA as domestic terrorists wouldn't actually amount to anything, on a practical level. The "Ku Klux Klan" and the "United Freedom Front" groups are labeled as domestic terrorists and they're still legally allowed to protest as a group (and the KKK still does, mind you). The biggest concern I have is that every snowflake cuck (trigger words on purpose, follow me here) generalizes anyone who participates in "Anti-Trump" rally as ANTIFA (there's the generalization rub).

Until the generalization starts to be narrowed down to a specific group that labels themselves as ANTIFA (or sub-sects) .... how would one fall under the classification of being a member of ANTIFA? As it stands, ANTIFA also utilizes the banner of "The Resistance" - which isn't strictly limited to their group (Democrats, Independents and even some Republicans use this banner as they claim to be resisting the actions of President Trump). Of course, it would end up becoming more of a political statement as well ("What about those Trump supporters who threw punches? They're terrorists too!" or other such comments that would come into play).

Finally, petitions don't work outside of campuses, some workplaces, and in HOA neighborhoods. Even the "whitehouse.org" petitions didn't really amount to anything except for an aide giving some script that was fed to them to "reply" to the petitions that hit the required threshold of signatures. It's not much difference than a boycott - good idea in theory, but a waste of effort at the end of the day.
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Posted 4/17/17
I cannot really find a concrete group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa

Or at least one in the US?
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Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I cannot really find a concrete group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa

Or at least one in the US?


If u notice the petition originated from spain which is interesting
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Posted 4/17/17 , edited 4/17/17

redokami wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I cannot really find a concrete group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa

Or at least one in the US?


If u notice the petition originated from spain which is interesting


I assume it would be aimed at the US considering what has happened in Berkeley. I do not disagree with the designation, but I can only say so for a specific group or set of groups instead of a movement and its ideals, regardless of those ideas.

It is the same absurdist notion that Antifa wants to push that all Trump supporters are racist or something, except it demands a label issued from the government, which is apparently meaningless as Ninjitsuko stated, but still. I find it unethical to label such a movement as terrorists.

That is my personal belief at the moment. I would not say that the Pro-Trump rally mostly did anything wrong or illegal from what it seems.

Maybe it should be covered as a hate movement?
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Posted 4/17/17
There is no concrete group. It's become a catch all label for every counter protester at one of these rallies. Trying to label it a terrorist group is about as useful as trying to label everyone wearing a red hat or American flag shorts as an organized group.

The only thing going on at this point is opposing groups looking for a fight scheduling where and when they'd like to meet up.


Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

runec wrote:

There is no concrete group.




Just find their hives online.

Also those 'DIY art space' venues like that place in Oakland that burned down.




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Posted 4/17/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


runec wrote:

There is no concrete group.




Just find their hives online.

Also those 'DIY art space' venues like that place in Oakland that burned down.






I am not sure if reddit is too official, but I am not sure. It seems that the reddit amounts to nothing more than a hashtag. Of course, Reddit should treat all hateful pages the same. (I mean, Reddit took down the anti-black chimpire, among others)
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Posted 4/17/17
The DNC and RNC should both be declared terrorist organizations.
Posted 4/17/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:
Just find their hives online.


Unfortunately, when it comes to "domestic terrorists" and the Internet - it doesn't provide enough genuine context for a "group". Reddit/Voat are both homes to some pretty classy (sic) communities (like /r/The_Donald, /r/TheRedPill, /r/DarkNetMarkets, /r/MensRights ... /V/pizzagate, /V/politics... and that's not even including the more liberal/SJW ones). Of course, Voat has been known to be the "uncensored" alternative to Reddit (especially after the Pizzagate subreddit went down and Voat happily took them in) - so you're prone to finding far worse things there (for all known political spectrums).

Basically, what I'm saying is that if you start "looking for hives online" - you'll find that comments made on sites/subreddits/subverses that would put practically any political alignment into the same boat as ANTIFA. Even though that isn't necessarily the case. Law authorities would have to have concrete evidence outside of anonymous comments made on these sites to determine it to be a "concrete group". They tried to label Anonymous/LulzSec/AntiSec under the same classification of "domestic terrorists". Since they couldn't actually get that classification due to it being a cybercrime and the group is known solely online ... they targeted specific individuals they could catch. The same would occur with the "ANTIFA movement" if anything.
Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

ninjitsuko wrote:


Unfortunately, when it comes to "domestic terrorists" and the Internet - it doesn't provide enough genuine context for a "group". Reddit/Voat are both homes to some pretty classy (sic) communities


But they aren't just on the internet. They use the internet to coordinate acts of violence though, like their planned chemical bombing of the inauguration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd42hSuTR_Q
Also haven't heard of 'the donald' planning to shut down political rallies, not sure how they're relevant
Posted 4/17/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:
But they aren't just on the internet. They use the internet to coordinate acts of violence though, like their planned chemical bombing of the inauguration.
Also haven't heard of 'the donald' planning to shut down political rallies, not sure how they're relevant



"Like their planned chemical bombing of the inauguration" -- to be fair, the only reports I could find (even through Project Veritas, which I have very low trust in) stated that they were claiming they were going to use butyric acid (C3H7COOH). In laymen's term, it would have been a stink bomb. The quote that I found was:


“If you had a pint of butyric acid, I don’t care how big the building is, it is closing…” says Luke Kuhm. “And this stuff is like very efficient, it’s very very smelly and it lasts a long time. A little bit goes a long way,” Scott Green explained.


Not to undermine the whole "chemical attack" logic - it's more so that it wouldn't have done any physical harm to anyone other than an inconvenience. If we shut down every "community" that coordinated attacks on movements, then we'd probably lose half of the Internet as well. I'm more in agreement that both "Pro-Trump" and "ANTIFA" movements (especially in the most recent cases) have mostly been an attempt at garnering more attention towards both causes. I've seen strong comments from both sides about "reading for war" before the rally at Berkeley - so it does lead me to be a bit skeptical of the ongoings from both sides.

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I've seen comments on /r/The_Donald that were threatening to shut down political rallies that were Anti-Trump focused or anticipating attacks from ANTIFA members to show how weak/pathetic they are (essentially "hoping to break their skulls" to paraphrase). These comments are even stronger on Voat subverses (as are the comments from those who align themselves with similar ideologies of ANTIFA). Again, it doesn't take much to find these kinds of comments other than reading some of the more "politically charged" threads that are somewhat controversial to either "hard spectrum" of the political nature. But it goes to show how easy it is to generalize based off of a handful of comments.
Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

ninjitsuko wrote:


Not to undermine the whole "chemical attack" logic - it's more so that it wouldn't have done any physical harm to anyone other than an inconvenience.


Because fuck people with breathing problems or allergies to the chemicals, right?

Anyway
Here's a hilarious thread antifa made, the comments are gold. Arguing over tactics and hierarchies and carrying weapons.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/65m67k/the_troubling_implications_of_the_conflict_in/
Here's a good one:


tl;dr "I t-tried to punch nazis guys but no one had my back :("
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Posted 4/17/17
So you bitch about the antifa having knives and protesting against Trump but do nothing when it comes to how people would walk around state capitals with guns protesting against Obama...oh the hypocrisy.
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So you bitch about the antifa having knives and protesting against Trump but do nothing when it comes to how people would walk around state capitals with guns protesting against Obama...oh the hypocrisy.


Probably has something to do with expressing their Second Amendment.
Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

Vidarson777 wrote:

So you bitch about the antifa having knives and protesting against Trump but do nothing when it comes to how people would walk around state capitals with guns protesting against Obama...oh the hypocrisy.


False equivalency. Open carry demonstrations are a bit different that showing up to an event with bats and sticks and proceeding to beat people you disagree with. I'd say there is much less violence when everyone has a rifle strapped to them

Even antifa has got in on the open carry thing, sucks they still act like idiots and end up brandishing several times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymUVKUMLn8
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