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petition to declare antifa as a terroist group
Posted 4/17/17

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Because fuck people with breathing problems or allergies to the chemicals, right?


To be fair, there aren't any known allergies to butyric acid (especially seeing as it's already used by our bodies as a fatty acid in our intestines). It does cause irritability to your eyes and can cause you to feel a little icky due to the smell. Ironically, I actually formed a smoke bomb made of butyric acid in a beaker in chemistry as a middle schooler (dumb kid logic, of course). I didn't even get in trouble, just a stern "You knew that it would smell bad and cause people to go to another classroom pod" lecture. // Interesting fact: I had asthma as a child/teenager that never evolved into on-set adult asthma.

That's not an excuse for the ANTIFA movement, just that it was greatly exaggerated by their "opponents". If it were done in the open, it would have been no better/worse than going to a concert and someone lighting their farts on fire 10-15 feet away from you.

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As for the reddit thread, I found it more interesting that those who are moderators are basically stating that the American "form" of ANTIFA aren't really Anti-Fascist in regards to their tactics. ANTIFA in America, just like some Pro-Trump members who go to these protests/rallies/riots, are looking for a brawl and nothing else. There's no unity in ANTIFA and thus, not a real "group" that are inciting these riots .... it's no different than the handful of brawlers that show up at Pro-Trump/GOP rallies.

In the end, it just goes to show that both sides are just as bad in their own ways. Nobody has the "higher moral standing" than the other. They're both trolling one another until something physical happens because they want it to happen. American Anti-Fascists barely know what Fascism is, from what I've read in most of their threads on various subreddits, just that they oppose Trump (who has fascist tendencies but hasn't implemented any policies that would show strong fascism) and the handful just want to find a fight for no reason. The same can be said about threads I've read by hard spectrum Trump supporters that just want to fight against ANTIFA. And so the cauldron boils....
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Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

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So you bitch about the antifa having knives and protesting against Trump but do nothing when it comes to how people would walk around state capitals with guns protesting against Obama...oh the hypocrisy.


except we didn't shoot anyone or use those guns as beating sticks
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Posted 4/17/17
“Get up, stand up Stand up for your rights. Get up stand up Don't give up the fight.”
Bob Marley crank up them tunes
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Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

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“Get up, stand up Stand up for your rights. Get up stand up Don't give up the fight.”
Bob Marley crank up them tunes


stand up for your rights by sucker punching people in the back of the heads, throwing m80s into the crowds, beating people up


yea
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Posted 4/17/17

redokami wrote:


DjBlow wrote:

“Get up, stand up Stand up for your rights. Get up stand up Don't give up the fight.”
Bob Marley crank up them tunes


stand up for your rights by sucker punching people in the back of the heads, throwing m80s into the crowds, beating people up


yea


Bob Marley would never advocate for violent protest. Never.

He meant peaceful protests, he meant political speech, he meant peaceful marches, and rallies, and all of it directed at oppressive government.

Bob Marley would never advocate to sectarian violence, which is what this is. Attacking people with views different than your own is not standing up for your rights, it is intimidation, and oppression, it is mob tyranny.
Posted 4/17/17

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Bob Marley would never advocate for violent protest. Never.

He meant peaceful protests, he meant political speech, he meant peaceful marches, and rallies, and all of it directed at oppressive government.

Bob Marley would never advocate to sectarian violence, which is what this is. Attacking people with views different than your own is not standing up for your rights, it is intimidation, and oppression, it is mob tyranny.


Careful. Bob Marley also said, "America is pure deviltry, the things that go on there. They just work with force and brutality. They lock out the punk thing because they see something happening. So the oppressors bring another man to blind the youth to the truth and they call him John Travolta." It could easily be taken out of context, which is kind of the meaning of me bringing it up. Marley was all about going against any form of war or attacks on countries just for the sake of showmanship. Yet... don't forget that Marley was a Rastafari - which was known for violent acts against law enforcement in Jamaica (which Bob took part of from time to time).

In the end, there's always going to be some type of violent conflict when people oppose one another. When there's such a division in mindset on social and political issues, this kind of mob mentality is prone to occur on both sides of the equation.
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Posted 4/17/17
schools breed violence look at what your teachers teach at early ages! you got the teachers spreading hate what do you expect?
i'm not for violence it not solve issues!
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Posted 4/17/17 , edited 4/17/17
By that logic, let's lock Richard Spencer and his dumb "white nationalist" (read: racist) ass up too, then. Ban them all. Let them obliterate one another. Please.

The pendulum swings from the left to the right, but I guarantee in a number of years we'll see far right wing revolts too. Kind of how things historically go, the pendulum may swing from one extremist group to another, but they still cause damages, whether they be physical, societal, vocal, or otherwise.

Try and pretend that the horseshoe theory doesn't exist, but both sides of the coin, in extremists have and will be violent, eventually, even if one is now considered to be more 'vocal' than the other.

The pendulum will swing back to the far right eventually. I mean, Spencer and his idiot pompous ass keep getting beaten up because he won't shut the fuck up. If he revolts with violence, dude is just as bad as the group he provokes. I bet he will lmao
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Posted 4/17/17
Signing an online petition isn't going to do anything. The media already shows antifa atrocities and public opinion isn't in their favor. Putting a label on a group doesn't expose the actions already known to us all, nor does the government care about what a bunch of signatures urge.
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Posted 4/17/17 , edited 5/21/17

ninjitsuko wrote:

As for the reddit thread, I found it more interesting that those who are moderators are basically stating that the American "form" of ANTIFA aren't really Anti-Fascist in regards to their tactics. ANTIFA in America, just like some Pro-Trump members who go to these protests/rallies/riots, are looking for a brawl and nothing else. .


You also have them talking about organizing their violence better like the 'european antifa', so that's kind of a moot point.
Is ISIS not a terror organization since they can radicalize online and through propaganda? Because that's where that logic goes.
Posted 4/18/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:
Is ISIS not a terror organization since they can radicalize online and through propaganda? Because that's where that logic goes.


There are distinct differences between ISIS and ANTIFA. ISIS has rank, leadership, coordination, and so forth. To go back to an earlier example I supplied - the KKK falls under the same line of thought. There are leaders, physical locations where they meet that are registered under their organization, there is a chain of command at each level (local, state, national), and they used to have coordination before they were reduced down to the "let's march with banners wearing our Klan outfit" level they're at nowadays. ISIS is classified as terrorists because they meet the requirements that USCIS came up with (IRA - which requires the organization to meet the requirements defined in section 212(a)(3)(B) 1a/ and section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act).

And this is why I said it would be difficult to do so with ANTIFA as there's no leadership, no military-type training, and they haven't killed anyone (yet). While ANTIFA would meet the qualifications for "domestic terrorism" in some regards, there's just not enough information to legally classify them as a terrorist organization. Secondly, as I mentioned already - even if you were to give them this classification, it doesn't do anything. At most, it would just mean that they'd move over to their Voat subspace and use the DarkWeb (TOR, Freenet, I2P .. etc) to organize "nazi bashing events" instead of Facebook and Reddit.
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Posted 4/18/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


ninjitsuko wrote:

As for the reddit thread, I found it more interesting that those who are moderators are basically stating that the American "form" of ANTIFA aren't really Anti-Fascist in regards to their tactics. ANTIFA in America, just like some Pro-Trump members who go to these protests/rallies/riots, are looking for a brawl and nothing else. .


You also have them talking about organizing their violence better like the 'european antifa', so that's kind of a moot point.
Is ISIS not a terror organization since they can radicalize online and through propaganda? Because that's where that logic goes.


That does not make sense. ISIS is a terrorist organization by other criteria. An online presence does not make one a terrorist, nor does it make others not one.

A primarily online presence with meeting between anonymous users that do not even speak in real time makes the entire thing suspect. In essence, it reeks of being too motivated by political bias than genuine outrage. I imagine it would be more akin to incitement between a rather leaderless group. Acts of terrorism do not mean they were done by a terrorist organization.

A great deal of criticism levied at these movements is primarily because they do not have a strong leadership, just uniting under hashtags and following the trend.
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Posted 4/18/17
I've heard people muttering about doing this for a while, but I'm surprised it took this long for a petition to be created. Well, if ANTIFA is declared a terrorist organization, they'll have no one to blame but themselves for their violent behavior.
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Posted 4/18/17 , edited 5/21/17

ninjitsuko wrote:



And this is why I said it would be difficult to do so with ANTIFA as there's no leadership, no military-type training,


*sniff*
WRONG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymUVKUMLn8
Look up their facebook if its still public, they have training events. The dude that looks like a lefty Richard Spencer seems to be the leader of this particular antifa cell.
I also recall the berkeley bloc on reddit discussing electing leaders so they can better 'bash the fash'.

Posted 4/18/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:
*sniff*
WRONG


Nice, but you've proven nothing. Having firearms doesn't necessarily mean they have military training. If you're stretching that far off, you know you're starting to lose grounds in the discussion (because that line of logic would be "if someone has a firearm, then they've obtained military training" - which would include those who protest/rally in support of the Second Amendment).


Amyas_Leigh wrote:
Look up their facebook if its still public, they have training events. The dude that looks like a lefty Richard Spencer seems to be the leader of this particular antifa cell.
I also recall the berkeley bloc on reddit discussing electing leaders so they can better 'bash the fash'.


This is interesting - seeing as most of my research into American-based ANTIFA focuses on "building an ANTIFA group" without any set leadership because "that's a fascist thing to do". It's more so about just bashing and brawling people who support what is fascism in their eyes. Most of their training courses (from what I've seen from videos and local events in Raleigh that are barely marketed but easy to find in the center of Moore Square) are just "de-escalation" tactics (meaning, running away or not engaging). Again, ANTIFA is like any other public group - no leadership, there's some more extreme than others, and the training is half-assed.

So.. yeah, still no military training. Try again, hombre.
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