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Post Reply Real Martial Artist vs Pro Football Player! Who would win?
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I dunno, man. Is the Quarterback allowed to pick up a rock and throw it through the martial artist's skull? They gotta play to their strengths to win.
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Actually that's wrong, they do train for speed and twitch reflex just the same as many martial artists. Most of them are doing MMA in the offseason to cross-train. Some NFL players are pretty much the best all around athletes on the planet.


You can't train for speed and twitch reflex while at the same time maintaining the kind of strength and endurance required of an American Football player. Training for speed and twitch reflex requires a whole different work out and diet regime then training for strength and endurance . Most smart martial artists do a middle of the road approach ( which I currently do) which is a smart path for any fighter. But an American Football player has to lean towards strength and endurance, their job requires it.


While you can't train for both at the same time you can train for them in periods and maintain the benefits for an extended time. Proper periodization of training is important. A typical phase order goes from mass to plyo (quick twitch) then to endurance. The best players tend to strike a good balance between the muscle fiber types.
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Depends really. As a 6'1 215-ish Muay Thai practitioner who loves to allow people to get close and tackle my lower body(so I can proceed to literally knee and do body shots). Im gonna have to go with martial artist.
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While you can't train for both at the same time you can train for them in periods and maintain the benefits for an extended time. Proper periodization of training is important. A typical phase order goes from mass to plyo (quick twitch) then to endurance. The best players tend to strike a good balance between the muscle fiber types.


An opinion I wholeheartedly agree with but I personally have found strength and endurance serve me far less in a fight than efficient use of motion and an ability to react quickly to what my opponent throws at me. I'd rather dodge and counterattack then try to play a game of physics and numbers with someone regardless of their size relative to me. And an object moving faster is always better than a bigger object moving slower.
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Pressure points, kung fu? Complete and utter BS.
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Pressure points, kung fu? Complete and utter BS.


Pressure points are only true to certain extent to be fair but why the disparage for Kung Fu? Kung Fu has given us several effective fighting styles, some of which owe their origins to the creativity of street gangs and rebels. Unlike in the fire arm obsessed Western world Chinese dissidents and criminal elements had to be more imaginative in the way they caused troubles. That sometimes involved some rather brutal and up close hand to hand fighting, just look at Wing Chun. It is anything but a joke and skilled practitioners of it are not people I'd willingly engage in anything but a sparring session.
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Ranwolf wrote:


TheGhostofLovecraft wrote:

Pressure points, kung fu? Complete and utter BS.


Pressure points are only true to certain extent to be fair but why the disparage for Kung Fu? Kung Fu has given us several effective fighting styles, some of which owe their origins to the creativity of street gangs and rebels. Unlike in the fire arm obsessed Western world Chinese dissidents and criminal elements had to be more imaginative in the way they caused troubles. That sometimes involved some rather brutal and up close hand to hand fighting, just look at Wing Chun. It is anything but a joke and skilled practitioners of it are not people I'd willingly engage in anything but a sparring session.


There are little to no professional kung fu fighters for a reason, and it's not because it's effective and deadly. I called out Kung Fu because OP brought it up. I'm sure he pictured IP man destroying a football team like a cheesy movie, but that's not how things work in the real world. In the real world a good tackle to the ground followed by a beating by someone bigger than him would be all that's needed. And no, pressure points don't do anything but maybe hurt a little more, unless you count hitting someone in the liver or kidney as a pressure point.

I've yet to meet one kung fu guy that could even make it through our warmups in BJJ. I'm sure there are some really good conditioned monks out there, but the majority of these students are practicing horrible and ineffective techniques while perpetuating myths created by Chinese films. There are even worse and more useless martial arts, though, if that makes you feel better.

Here is a typical example of what happens when fantasy meets reality. But I'm sure it's "not real kung fu" as most Kung Fu, Gong Fu, etc fans would say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd1KDz1X7iE
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TheGhostofLovecraft wrote:


There are little to no professional kung fu fighters for a reason, and it's not because it's effective and deadly. I called out Kung Fu because OP brought it up. I'm sure he pictured IP man destroying a football team like a cheesy movie, but that's not how things work in the real world. In the real world a good tackle to the ground followed by a beating by someone bigger than him would be all that's needed. And no, pressure points don't do anything but maybe hurt a little more, unless you count hitting someone in the liver or kidney as a pressure point.

I've yet to meet one kung fu guy that could even make it through our warmups in BJJ. I'm sure there are some really good conditioned monks out there, but the majority of these students are practicing horrible and ineffective techniques while perpetuating myths created by Chinese films. There are even worse and more useless martial arts, though, if that makes you feel better.

Here is a typical example of what happens when fantasy meets reality. But I'm sure it's "not real kung fu" as most Kung Fu, Gong Fu, etc fans would say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd1KDz1X7iE


All fair and valid points but the same could be said of any style of hand to hand combat even your BJJ, even my preferred Jeet Kune Do, or Karate, Sabot, Sambo, etc. There will always be bad teachers and worse students that come to the forefront, after all people seem wont to judge something by it's worse then it's best.

That truth does not lessen the worth of Kung Fu any more it than lessens the worth of BJJ.

As a side note I find it odd you speak of a a bigger person defeating a smaller person so easily, considering BJJ preaches the exact opposite.
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All fair and valid points but the same could be said of any style of hand to hand combat even your BJJ, even my preferred Jeet Kune Do, or Karate, Sabot, Sambo, etc. There will always be bad teachers and worse students that come to the forefront, after all people seem wont to judge something by it's worse then it's best.

That truth does not lessen the worth of Kung Fu any more it than lessens the worth of BJJ.

As a side note I find it odd you speak of a a bigger person defeating a smaller person so easily, considering BJJ preaches the exact opposite.


The BJJ community is strict on lineage. All black belts are traceable, and it's really hard to be a fake one. It also takes about a decade on average to get one versus a couple years. It has nothing to do with teaching. I'm straight up saying it's not any good. If I had to only know one martial art, it would be jiujitsu. Thankfully, we live in a world where you can learn lots of martial arts.

Again, I'm talking about the kung fu master versus the football player. I'm only refuting that point. A same sized man trained in Muay Thai would most likely kick the crap out of him as well. And BJJ doesn't really preach the smaller guy can win easily. The smaller, trained guy has a decent chance against someone larger and stronger with zero or little grappling. But there is a reason weight classes exist, although we do spar outside of them. I've sparred with guys circa 6"5' and 300 lbs just to experience what it's like to have the air pushed out of me by a knee on belly or having to move a boulder that fell ontop of you. Two guys of equal skill, the bigger guy will win usually.

I wouldn't call BJJ mine, either. I have black belts, just not one in that. If I represented any mastery of a martial art, it would be Karate, which I would not recommend, either. Most of these schools and styles do not push your body through sparring, which is the most important learning tool.

If you want to figure out what works with your body, you will in almost every single BJJ school. Like I said, fake black belts get called out right away. You can look that up on youtube as well.

That guy who lost so easily to Royce, ended up training BJJ and competing in the UFC. So he was the real deal when it comes to Kung Fu. That's why I like using it as an example. And Royce was one of the worst out of his brothers. But if you want to see actual style versus style, watch this. If you're into martial arts, you'll love it a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjvzJO-6ESc


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Pressure points, kung fu? Complete and utter BS.


Tell that to Kenshiro (Fist of The North Star) Let him at your pressure points.... You won't even know you're already dead....
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The BJJ community is strict on lineage. All black belts are traceable, and it's really hard to be a fake one. It also takes about a decade on average to get one versus a couple years. It has nothing to do with teaching. I'm straight up saying it's not any good. If I had to only know one martial art, it would be jiujitsu. Thankfully, we live in a world where you can learn lots of martial arts.

Again, I'm talking about the kung fu master versus the football player. I'm only refuting that point. A same sized man trained in Muay Thai would most likely kick the crap out of him as well. And BJJ doesn't really preach the smaller guy can win easily. The smaller, trained guy has a decent chance against someone larger and stronger with zero or little grappling. But there is a reason weight classes exist, although we do spar outside of them. I've sparred with guys circa 6"5' and 300 lbs just to experience what it's like to have the air pushed out of me by a knee on belly or having to move a boulder that fell ontop of you. Two guys of equal skill, the bigger guy will win usually.

I wouldn't call BJJ mine, either. I have black belts, just not one in that. If I represented any mastery of a martial art, it would be Karate, which I would not recommend, either. Most of these schools and styles do not push your body through sparring, which is the most important learning tool.

If you want to figure out what works with your body, you will in almost every single BJJ school. Like I said, fake black belts get called out right away. You can look that up on youtube as well.

That guy who lost so easily to Royce, ended up training BJJ and competing in the UFC. So he was the real deal when it comes to Kung Fu. That's why I like using it as an example. And Royce was one of the worst out of his brothers. But if you want to see actual style versus style, watch this. If you're into martial arts, you'll love it a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjvzJO-6ESc




Personally mate a belt means nothing to me, I do not show anymore respect to a person with a black belt then I do to the man ahead of me in the line at Starbucks or the homeless bum I gave my change to after buying my Venti True North roast. I have not fought them so their worth is unknown to me and assumed to be rock bottom. I do not care about recordings of their past victories or glories, I do not care what others say about them, I do not care if some proven Master vouches for them.

That is why I'll stick to Jeet Kune Do , since it teaches me to make no assumptions on the worth of any particular way of fighting, especially in the manner you seem to be doing. After all an opponent has to move towards me to attack me, it's only then I can determine their worth. A person's worth in a fight is not determined by the style they claim nor in the actions of others who claim the same style. In the end the Master you have learned from is meaningless, your past victories, your past defeats , all of it and more meaningless. Only the current fight matters.

I will not dismiss the worth of anyone's way of fighting, even if I should prevail against it. That is just a lazy and worthless way of developing yourself as a martial artist.
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Chuck Norris.


Enough said.


Don't forget about Bruce Way- I mean Bruce Lee.


hahaha I see what you did there.

Bruce was my childhood hero. When I was thirteen my goal in life was to move to Henan Province in China and become a Shaolin monk and just do kung fu all day.
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TheGhostofLovecraft wrote:

Pressure points, kung fu? Complete and utter BS.


Tell that to Kenshiro (Fist of The North Star) Let him at your pressure points.... You won't even know you're already dead....


That reminds me of this "I'm too lethal" guy. He has a series called "You're already dead". He thinks so highly of himself and is a big joke in the martial arts community. Supposedly he files his fingernails to a point "for better eye gouging".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1Gj3t4O0M
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DeadlyOats wrote:


TheGhostofLovecraft wrote:

Pressure points, kung fu? Complete and utter BS.


Tell that to Kenshiro (Fist of The North Star) Let him at your pressure points.... You won't even know you're already dead....


That reminds me of this "I'm too lethal" guy. He has a series called "You're already dead". He thinks so highly of himself and is a big joke in the martial arts community. Supposedly he files his fingernails to a point "for better eye gouging".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1Gj3t4O0M


It's a short video and I couldn't even watch to the half-way point. I can't believe he thinks he coined the phrase, "You're already dead."
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karatecowboy wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:


TheGhostofLovecraft wrote:

Pressure points, kung fu? Complete and utter BS.


Tell that to Kenshiro (Fist of The North Star) Let him at your pressure points.... You won't even know you're already dead....


That reminds me of this "I'm too lethal" guy. He has a series called "You're already dead". He thinks so highly of himself and is a big joke in the martial arts community. Supposedly he files his fingernails to a point "for better eye gouging".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1Gj3t4O0M


I seen it before, but didn't go all the way. Its kinda of silly..

What I mean by pressure points is knowing where to strike on the body to deliver deadly blow. But nothing like Fist of the North Star! :p

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