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Post Reply Real Martial Artist vs Pro Football Player! Who would win?
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Posted 4/29/17 , edited 4/30/17
Let's set up a scenario:
Fight until one is unable to continue using any means needed, nothing held back. Both unarmed and in same clothing. Men are the same age: 30. Both have been trained since they were 10, so 20 years under their belt. While we are at it let's put both of them at 6ft, 2inches in height.

While the football player hones his body every day, the moves with which he can use are limited. The martial artist has come-field advantage. Most untrained people default to punches and tackling. A football player would most likely be very willing to do the latter. A martial artist trains their body, and more importantly their mind, for combat every time the football player trains. He does this all the time. Most martial artists are taught to fight bigger opponents anyway and take advantage of their opponent's strength. The stronger the football player is, the harder he's likely to get thrown to the ground.

At some point size is a disadvantage in a fight. It's safe to assume the football player is bulkier and probably less flexible. I know many professional football players are surprisingly flexible, but there are very few who can do the splits compared to someone who has been doing martial arts for 15+ years.

The most important thing is probably that the martial arts practitioner has vastly more experience than the football player. He isn't going to fight him straight on: He's going to wait for an opening and deliver a crippling blow. He's not going to stay around to duke it out with a bigger opponent. He's going to know what to hit and when. He's going to better know distancing and have a broader arsenal of attacks and defenses.

When one only has an advantage of raw power, one is forced to rely on it. Martial artists have honed their bodies and minds for this reason alone. This would be like saying a rugby team could beat a football team at football or vice versa.

As for my credentials on the matter I played football in high school and did martial arts. I still do martial arts and am in contact with a few old teammates who got scholarships and continue to play in college.
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Posted 3/1/18 , edited 3/1/18

arnold5000 wrote:

If youve ever seen former NFL WR Johnnie Morton fight, then you know ANY real martial artist would crush a NFL player. And he was on steriods and still lost!


I take your Johnnie Morton and raise you Herschell Walker. He started MMA at the age of 50 and won both his fights by KO.

And that's just a WR and a RB, two of the smaller positions in football. If you're talking lineman, it wouldn't even be fair. Some of them can get as big as 6'8 or 6'9 and nearly 400lbs.

Here's UFC phenom Connor Mcgregor sparring with the Mountain from GoT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig

Notice how those bombs Mcgregor knocks people out with just bounce off the Moountain like he's punching an actual mountain. If this was a real fight, it ends about 15 seconds in, as soon as Hafthor gets his hands on McGregor.

Technique is great and all, but overwhelming strength wins every time. There's a reason every combat sport has weight divisions.
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You mean like the Tight End Football players who are around 6'3-6'4 and weigh 240ibs? I don't think so bud lol.

Unless that martial artist is well trained in BJJ, boxing, and or some UFC fight experience. He is gonna get the shit kicked out of him. This is coming from someone who does martial arts.


That's absurd. What kind of martial arts are you learning? You can choke some down, you can break bones, you can hit the solar plexus.... I mean, if you are going against anyone in a real fight, hurt bad and hurt fast. Wtf are you learning?

"I study martial arts..." Nope, you just play a different sport.


Ever heard of Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jujitsu? Yeah those are what some consider more practical martial arts.

The bold just screams "I know nothing about fighting". Why people who know nothing about martial arts passing off their thoughts as facts is the real question.

Good luck putting someone into an arm bar in a real fight.

Arm bar wouldn't be my first choice in this situation, because the football player does have such a size and strength difference.
Then, again, some heavy weights are just as big and fit.
Still, the fact that you dismiss an arm bar is telling. An arm bar is a very basic technique taught even to militants, due to how practical it is in a true combat situation.
As far as chokes go, I have used them several times in actual fights, and the fight is pretty much over at that point. Twice used on people with roughly the same training as I had at the time. Let's put it in perspective: you only really need to blood choke someone for 8ish seconds to knock them out, 4ish and they start getting weak. That's all you have to hold on. There are sports where people hold on to a rampaging bull for 8 seconds. A human being is much smaller, no matter how big they are.

As I said, hurt bad and hurt fast. I think you probably know a lot about sparring, but a whole lot less about fighting. Been in my fair share of fights. Had my ass handed to me my fair share of times... usually, it is either the one who delivers the most devastating blow first or the one who is too fast to touch that wins. Martial artist has the advantage in both these areas. There are no rounds.
At best, a football player may be able to keep up defenses until the martial artist wears down, but even then, I wouldn't count on it making much of a difference.
Between a professional athlete who plays football and a professional athlete who punches people in the face for a living, there should be no question who would win, almost every time.
Another thing people don't seem to realize is how fast and how hard a professional fighter hits. I am sorry, but a footbal player without fight training is going to have trouble avoiding strikes from a professional fighter. The only reason mma fights last as long as they do is because of rules and padding.

But feel free to believe I don't know what I am talking about. Doesn't matter much to me.
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Would win at what?

Everyone assuming a fight, something only 1 party is trained for so an unfair contest. I'd give the martial artist the win as a knee kick will end the fight in the first second and I can't see a footballer thinking of that as his opener.

At football, then the footballer is going to win as he's fit and trained and there's no direct competition between the two competitors like in a combat fight.

To even it out though, let's say Chess. I can't see much value in either sport that translates to Chess so it's a coin flip.
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Posted 4/30/17 , edited 4/30/17

Rasmend wrote:

Let's set up a scenario:
Fight until one is unable to continue using any means needed, nothing held back. Both unarmed and in same clothing. Men are the same age: 30. Both have been trained since they were 10, so 20 years under their belt. While we are at it let's put both of them at 6ft, 2inches in height.

While the football player hones his body every day, the moves with which he can use are limited. The martial artist has come-field advantage. Most untrained people default to punches and tackling. A football player would most likely be very willing to do the latter. A martial artist trains their body, and more importantly their mind, for combat every time the football player trains. He does this all the time. Most martial artists are taught to fight bigger opponents anyway and take advantage of their opponent's strength. The stronger the football player is, the harder he's likely to get thrown to the ground.

At some point size is a disadvantage in a fight. It's safe to assume the football player is bulkier and probably less flexible. I know many professional football players are surprisingly flexible, but there are very few who can do the splits compared to someone who has been doing martial arts for 15+ years.

The most important thing is probably that the martial arts practitioner has vastly more experience than the football player. He isn't going to fight him straight on: He's going to wait for an opening and deliver a crippling blow. He's not going to stay around to duke it out with a bigger opponent. He's going to know what to hit and when. He's going to better know distancing and have a broader arsenal of attacks and defenses.

When one only has an advantage of raw power, one is forced to rely on it. Martial artists have honed their bodies and minds for this reason alone. This would be like saying a rugby team could beat a football team at football or vice versa.

As for my credentials on the matter I played football in high school and did martial arts. I still do martial arts and am in contact with a few old teammates who got scholarships and continue to play in college.

Basically what I have been saying in a nutshell.
Maybe in a competitive fight, with gloves and rules, the football player would have some ability to match the martial artist.
In a real fight, it is going to be 1-3 well aimed attacks meant to do as much damage as possible. Martial artist wins.
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Posted 3/4/18 , edited 3/4/18
sooo funny story. My cousin has 2 super bowl rings, and played running back for 9 years in the NFL, and retired in 2011. He's old.

I played a lot of football growing up, but I was a wrestler primarily and after college transitioned to Muay Thai, and BJJ to fight professionally.
I've had collectively 18 fights between Muay Thai, MMA, and 1 boxing match and last summer we wound up play fighting, which turned into a real fight. I'm 15-3 with no titles.

So, just to clarify, I barely won, via submission (Ezekiel choke), but he damn near knocked me out. He hit every bit as hard as I did, and was just as fast with the hands. I think the biggest thing you have to account for in this type of fight is inexperience.

My cousin has been in 3 fights ever, and doesn't have a proper understanding of footwork or balanced striking. He was throwing punches from angles I don't see, even from Amateurs. As an experienced fighter, you have to account for that, and that is extremely difficult.

Street fights can go 6 ways from sunday yall. Don't underestimate anyones ability because of where they come from. I have a black eye that calls that wisdom

for reference: we are both 6'2, he is 245lbs, I'm 200lbs, and we have 13 years of age between us.
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Posted 3/4/18 , edited 3/5/18
Martial artist, you take a guy like Bruce Lee against a 400 lb football player, I'd give it to the martial arts guy.
Just because somebody is big and strong doesn't mean that they are unstoppable especially if they have only a limited set of counterattacks.
Posted 3/5/18 , edited 3/5/18
It depends on the two people but I would think an expert martial artist would win easily.
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If all things are held equal other than their ability to fight the martial artist will win. A foot ball player is not a trained fighter so he has little chance in winning.
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