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The professor who taught my Ottoman history class this year was originally from Turkey, and he was a dedicated Kemalist who absolutely hated Erdogan's very openly Islamist policies and thinks that he is spitting on the founding ideals of the Republic. He must be absolutely enraged right now by the results of this referendum.
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What are these Islamic policies, and why does he so hate them?
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What are these Islamic policies, and why does he so hate them?


From what I can tell, Erdogan is refer to as some as heading a majoritarian democracy, one enforced by the religious policies derived from some Islamic teachings, notably fighting against Kemal's secularism and his support of checks and balances, which the modern day Turkey was found by on the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, instead relying on the support of the majority by appealing to religious rhetoric and issues to reflect that.

The main problem being that as some people say before, some versions of Islam are difficult to reconcile with a western style Government.

So, the worrying tension is that a dictatorship will form based on majority support. Which is indeed a thing. An oppression of the minority is by nature, an act of dictatorship, regardless of the overall support he has.

This is versus those dictatorships like Assad, who often allied with the Alawites I believe, a minority.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

What are these Islamic policies, and why does he so hate them?


From what I can tell, Erdogan is refer to as some as heading a majoritarian democracy, one enforced by the religious policies derived from some Islamic teachings, notably fighting against Kemal's secularism and his support of checks and balances, which the modern day Turkey was found by on the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, instead relying on the support of the majority by appealing to religious rhetoric and issues to reflect that.

The main problem being that as some people say before, some versions of Islam are difficult to reconcile with a western style Government.

So, the worrying tension is that a dictatorship will form based on majority support. Which is indeed a thing. An oppression of the minority is by nature, an act of dictatorship, regardless of the overall support he has.



Valenzuela and Hugo Chavez. It might end up like Egypt, when the Muslim Brotherhood ran it for a while.
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What are these Islamic policies, and why does he so hate them?


What PV said. My former professor is basically an unapologetic Kemalist who holds secularism and republicanism as important foundations of the Republic and idolizes Ataturk. As such he's completely opposed to Erdogan's AKP, which is more rooted in conservative Islam and has generally acted fairly authoritarian by doing its best to silence open dissent.

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DeadlyOats wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:

What are these Islamic policies, and why does he so hate them?


From what I can tell, Erdogan is refer to as some as heading a majoritarian democracy, one enforced by the religious policies derived from some Islamic teachings, notably fighting against Kemal's secularism and his support of checks and balances, which the modern day Turkey was found by on the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, instead relying on the support of the majority by appealing to religious rhetoric and issues to reflect that.

The main problem being that as some people say before, some versions of Islam are difficult to reconcile with a western style Government.

So, the worrying tension is that a dictatorship will form based on majority support. Which is indeed a thing. An oppression of the minority is by nature, an act of dictatorship, regardless of the overall support he has.



Valenzuela and Hugo Chavez. It might end up like Egypt, when the Muslim Brotherhood ran it for a while.


I called it an act of dictatorship, but am unsure of Erdogan's moves to effectively establish one. Castro was quite popular among the Cubans, surprisingly enough, for providing healthcare and education in his progressive agenda, but also effectively shut down any threats to his rule, despite having enough leniency for local elections.

In any case, Roosevelt is widely praised in the US, but his record has the black mark of instituting internment camps, which effectively had the Japanese rounded up, selling their businesses on the spot, into a crowded camp behind barbed wire, and he did so with the majority supporting him, likely because of anti-Japanese sentiment.
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