Executive Order Signed Ordering Rule Changes for H-1B Work Visas
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Plus changes that require government construction projects requiring that American made materials have to be used.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/18/trump-order-would-target-high-skilled-worker-visa-/

So, Americans in the tech industry won't be laid off after training their cheaper foreign worker replacements anymore. Let's see how it all pans out...


Trump is heading Tuesday to Kenosha, Wisconsin, where he plans to sign an order dubbed “Buy American, Hire American,”

The White House said the program is currently undercutting American workers by bringing in cheaper labor and said some tech companies are using it to hire large numbers of workers and drive down wages.

Administration officials said the order also seeks to strengthen requirements that American-made products be used in certain federal construction projects, as well as in various federal transportation grant-funded projects. The officials said the commerce secretary will review how to close loopholes in enforcing the existing rules and provide recommendations to the president.

The order specifically asks the secretary to review waivers of these rules that exist in free-trade agreements. The administration said that if the waivers are not benefiting the United States they will be “renegotiated or revoked.”


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So, Americans in the tech industry won't be laid off after training their cheaper foreign worker replacements anymore. Let's see how it all pans out...


As someone who works in the tech industry, this is a pretty bad move on Trump's part. H-1B visas still require the individual to either have a bachelor's or master's degree in order to qualify for it correctly. The OES Wage Levels are used to determine the minimum wage for those who are applying for an H-1B visa - which means that those who only Level 1 (entry level) are usually rejected right out of the door. With this in mind, it also means that Level II (qualified with a bachelor's degree or higher) has to pay a minimum of $50,000 USD per year. Tech companies (non-agricultural positions) have to hire Level III (bachelor's and x amount of years of experience) or Level IV (fully competent, master's degree is ideal, and they are hired at a director/supervisor, senior, or executive level).

Regarding the quote I took from your post: it also won't stop people from having to train their cheaper counterparts. The "loophole" that has been used for decades (as there are already regulations that encourage hiring citizens of America already) is that the company registers an LLC or INC over in the country where they're hiring their most amount of people. This means that they can hire employees to this foreign branch of their company and use them as remote workers. Essentially, this EO will be a waste of time other than losing some pretty skilled workers and students from staying in America.
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So no Trump products since none are made in the USA

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DeadlyOats wrote:
So, Americans in the tech industry won't be laid off after training their cheaper foreign worker replacements anymore. Let's see how it all pans out...


As someone who works in the tech industry, this is a pretty bad move on Trump's part. H-1B visas still require the individual to either have a bachelor's or master's degree in order to qualify for it correctly. The OES Wage Levels are used to determine the minimum wage for those who are applying for an H-1B visa - which means that those who only Level 1 (entry level) are usually rejected right out of the door. With this in mind, it also means that Level II (qualified with a bachelor's degree or higher) has to pay a minimum of $50,000 USD per year. Tech companies (non-agricultural positions) have to hire Level III (bachelor's and x amount of years of experience) or Level IV (fully competent, master's degree is ideal, and they are hired at a director/supervisor, senior, or executive level).

Regarding the quote I took from your post: it also won't stop people from having to train their cheaper counterparts. The "loophole" that has been used for decades (as there are already regulations that encourage hiring citizens of America already) is that the company registers an LLC or INC over in the country where they're hiring their most amount of people. This means that they can hire employees to this foreign branch of their company and use them as remote workers. Essentially, this EO will be a waste of time other than losing some pretty skilled workers and students from staying in America.


I also work as a programmer, so I'll add: Often times, especially in India and China, those bachelor's degrees in CS are worth about as much as a language certificate is C++ or some other six-month certification. Agreed about the loophole, though. It's all about cheap labor.
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I also work as a programmer, so I'll add: Often times, especially in India and China, those bachelor's degrees in CS are worth about as much as a language certificate is C++ or some other six-month certification. Agreed about the loophole, though. It's all about cheap labor.


I will agree with this statement. However, a lot of the people who are looking for tech jobs in America are foreigners who got their degrees from universities here in the US nowadays. They would still fall under H-1B visa requirements, which is why I think this is a terrible idea. There should be another visa that would allow for students of American universities to apply under similar requirements as the H-1B visa. I have a fair number of friends (and co-workers) that are going to be impacted by this kind of legislation. They studied six to eight years at American universities, hoping to pursue their own "American Dream™" - but these kinds of decisions will result in significant decrease in students from foreign countries (which is where universities do make a significant amount of money from).
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karatecowboy wrote:
I also work as a programmer, so I'll add: Often times, especially in India and China, those bachelor's degrees in CS are worth about as much as a language certificate is C++ or some other six-month certification. Agreed about the loophole, though. It's all about cheap labor.


I will agree with this statement. However, a lot of the people who are looking for tech jobs in America are foreigners who got their degrees from universities here in the US nowadays. They would still fall under H-1B visa requirements, which is why I think this is a terrible idea. There should be another visa that would allow for students of American universities to apply under similar requirements as the H-1B visa. I have a fair number of friends (and co-workers) that are going to be impacted by this kind of legislation. They studied six to eight years at American universities, hoping to pursue their own "American Dream™" - but these kinds of decisions will result in significant decrease in students from foreign countries (which is where universities do make a significant amount of money from).


But then that means there's a loophole to overstay their student visas..... Or rather to convert their student visas into H-1B visas....

Let them go back to their home countries, and apply their skills there. If they really want to come back to the U.S., then let them apply for a visa normally. Not find a way to skip in line....
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ninjitsuko wrote:

As someone who works in the tech industry, this is a pretty bad move on Trump's part. H-1B visas still require the individual to either have a bachelor's or master's degree in order to qualify for it correctly. The OES Wage Levels are used to determine the minimum wage for those who are applying for an H-1B visa - which means that those who only Level 1 (entry level) are usually rejected right out of the door. With this in mind, it also means that Level II (qualified with a bachelor's degree or higher) has to pay a minimum of $50,000 USD per year. Tech companies (non-agricultural positions) have to hire Level III (bachelor's and x amount of years of experience) or Level IV (fully competent, master's degree is ideal, and they are hired at a director/supervisor, senior, or executive level).

Regarding the quote I took from your post: it also won't stop people from having to train their cheaper counterparts. The "loophole" that has been used for decades (as there are already regulations that encourage hiring citizens of America already) is that the company registers an LLC or INC over in the country where they're hiring their most amount of people. This means that they can hire employees to this foreign branch of their company and use them as remote workers. Essentially, this EO will be a waste of time other than losing some pretty skilled workers and students from staying in America.


I've been trying to figure out what this EO actually does. Are you saying that entry level positions are going to be harder to get for foreigners here on visas?

And I don't really understand the point of your second paragraph. So a company will now have more trouble hiring people in America - so are you implying that they will just take their business to another country, register an LLC or INC, and remotely do their business from there? Is there no incentive to hiring American workers in this field at all?

My hope is that the requirements to enter these fields are reduced and more tech schools are introduced. College is a scam and for jobs in the tech field I don't believe a college education should be required for entry level positions
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