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Posted 4/18/17
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/asia/cyber-missile-defense-north-korea/

With leaks like these, who needs Wikileaks?


(CNN) A failed missile launch in North Korea Sunday has brought renewed attention to reports that the United States is trying to degrade North Korea's missile capabilities via hacking.

It's unclear if the US interfered with this specific test, but the tactic is actively being pursued by the US military, according to public statements and Congressional testimony by current and former members of the armed forces.

"There is a very strong belief that the US -- through cyber methods -- has been successful on several occasions in interrupting these sorts of tests and making them fail," former British Foreign Secretary Malcolm Rifkind told the BBC.

Rifkind's comments come on the heels of a report in The New York Times last month saying US President Donald Trump inherited a cyberwar on North Korea in the hope of sabotaging its missile tests.


It's like they WANT North Korea to know....

What's really important is that a former - FORMER - British Foreign Secretary knows about this. How is he getting high level military secrets?
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention as always Quacker
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It's like they WANT North Korea to know....

What's really important is that a former - FORMER - British Foreign Secretary knows about this. How is he getting high level military secrets?


Just like any other article these days, this is an opinion-based one. "There is a very strong belief that the US...". On top of that, most of the information that was "exposed" in this article is public information that you can access with a computer or smartphone with Internet access. North Korea officials would have the same amount of capacity to find this information as you or I (or CNN, for that matter).

To answer your question, though, in most cases - retired military personnel these days just love doing interviews or conferences for CSIS (Center for Strategy International Studies) where they expose a lot of information to the public. Hell, there's information online about how many successes and failures that our THAAD technology has had since we first designed it in 1987. Secrets are made to be leaked or made public in some way or another these days. Military secrets are still considered "fair game" by hackers, Wikileaks, and any other online media.

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DeadlyOats wrote:
It's like they WANT North Korea to know....

What's really important is that a former - FORMER - British Foreign Secretary knows about this. How is he getting high level military secrets?


Just like any other article these days, this is an opinion-based one. "There is a very strong belief that the US...". On top of that, most of the information that was "exposed" in this article is public information that you can access with a computer or smartphone with Internet access. North Korea officials would have the same amount of capacity to find this information as you or I (or CNN, for that matter).

To answer your question, though, in most cases - retired military personnel these days just love doing interviews or conferences for CSIS (Center for Strategy International Studies) where they expose a lot of information to the public. Hell, there's information online about how many successes and failures that our THAAD technology has had since we first designed it in 1987. Secrets are made to be leaked or made public in some way or another these days. Military secrets are still considered "fair game" by hackers, Wikileaks, and any other online media.



*sigh* True. Sometimes, I'm like, "SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! They didn't need to know!!!"
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DeadlyOats wrote:
It's like they WANT North Korea to know....

What's really important is that a former - FORMER - British Foreign Secretary knows about this. How is he getting high level military secrets?


Just like any other article these days, this is an opinion-based one. "There is a very strong belief that the US...". On top of that, most of the information that was "exposed" in this article is public information that you can access with a computer or smartphone with Internet access. North Korea officials would have the same amount of capacity to find this information as you or I (or CNN, for that matter).

To answer your question, though, in most cases - retired military personnel these days just love doing interviews or conferences for CSIS (Center for Strategy International Studies) where they expose a lot of information to the public. Hell, there's information online about how many successes and failures that our THAAD technology has had since we first designed it in 1987. Secrets are made to be leaked or made public in some way or another these days. Military secrets are still considered "fair game" by hackers, Wikileaks, and any other online media.



He's not retired. He's just not Foreign Secretary anymore.

The second point I'd like to make - don't you think it's more likely that your own government wants this out there? Wouldn't you say it's strategically useful that a Country that threatens to launch nukes believes that you have the ability to stop them without firing a shot?

edit - sorry the second point was a question aimed at OP
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It's like they WANT North Korea to know....


Dude, if CNN knows it isn't an "operational secret". It's especially not a secret if CNN is referencing public statements and public records. So you can tone it down a notch.

If the US can't defend its "operational secrets" from a 2 minute Google search than CNN certainly is not the problem here. >.>



Posted 4/18/17

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He's not retired. He's just not Foreign Secretary anymore.


My comment was more of a broad one regarding military personnel in general. I digress that the admiral from the article wasn't retired. However, many retired personnel do still go to these conferences and spill information for educational means. As mentioned a few times already, most of the information in the CNN article is only a mouse click and a few keystrokes away without CNN being part of the equation. CNN is only reporting on information that they already know, have been told, or found while researching the topic. A high schooler could have written the same article in regards to obtaining the information.
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RebRebel wrote:
He's not retired. He's just not Foreign Secretary anymore.


My comment was more of a broad one regarding military personnel in general. I digress that the admiral from the article wasn't retired. However, many retired personnel do still go to these conferences and spill information for educational means. As mentioned a few times already, most of the information in the CNN article is only a mouse click and a few keystrokes away without CNN being part of the equation. CNN is only reporting on information that they already know, have been told, or found while researching the topic. A high schooler could have written the same article in regards to obtaining the information.


Sorry, I should probably have been clearer. I wasn't suggesting your points were untrue, merely that the article uses former Foreign Secretary like when wikipedia says "best known for his role as victim four in the musical production of Cannibal Holocaust". It could be misleading to people not from the UK or not familiar with his current position (I confess I knew his name but not what he currently did) so I thought I'd clarify.
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Posted 4/18/17
CNN is using public records, so they aren't exactly secret
by the by, didn't Trump make strategic military planning in public, in a restaurant, where everyone and their grandma could listen in and use their smartphone to record their operation..? >_>
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DeadlyOats wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/asia/cyber-missile-defense-north-korea/

With leaks like these, who needs Wikileaks?


(CNN) A failed missile launch in North Korea Sunday has brought renewed attention to reports that the United States is trying to degrade North Korea's missile capabilities via hacking.

It's unclear if the US interfered with this specific test, but the tactic is actively being pursued by the US military, according to public statements and Congressional testimony by current and former members of the armed forces.

"There is a very strong belief that the US -- through cyber methods -- has been successful on several occasions in interrupting these sorts of tests and making them fail," former British Foreign Secretary Malcolm Rifkind told the BBC.

Rifkind's comments come on the heels of a report in The New York Times last month saying US President Donald Trump inherited a cyberwar on North Korea in the hope of sabotaging its missile tests.


It's like they WANT North Korea to know....

What's really important is that a former - FORMER - British Foreign Secretary knows about this. How is he getting high level military secrets?


It's hardly a leak when the statements are public and/or come from congressional testimony.

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Posted 4/18/17
This thread can't be serious.
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I think it was always assumed the U.S. was doing some meddling in NK. But unless Sean Spicer comes out and confirms anything no one will ever know to what extent until it is declassified for some documentary in 50 years.

But yeah CNN has no journalistic integrity so if they somehow came across info that can fuck up the administration's plans I think they'd run with it.
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I did pick on CNN, but the truth is that most news originations do this. And as ninjitsuko pointed out, you can hardly blame them when people from government open their damned mouths and let out secrets.

Why get mad at Wikileaks when they do it?

There could have been an operation, for example, to hack into the N.K.'s nuclear program to destroy it, the way the Iranian's uranium enrichment laboratory was destroyed, but now N.K. is busy changing all of their passwords, and changing other security settings, to be safe.

Operation is now blown...
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Posted 4/18/17
by the by, if CNN - or any other news organization for that matter - released classified information that negatively affects the US military operation or that of its allies (which is not the case here) - they would be in legal trouble



Under the present legal framework, the publication of national security information by non-government personnel may be prosecuted under various provisions, but only if the information meets the definition set forth by statute and the disclosure is made with the requisite knowledge or intent with regard to the nature of the damage it could cause.
-CRS Report

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As already mentioned, in any intelligence or counter intelligence operation there will be some things you will want to keep secret and some things that you would like to be leaked so that your enemies or allies (or just general population) can hear about it. The question here is whether this was an ultra secret piece of information that the US couldn't keep control of (implying your people are incompetent) or the information has been intentionally leaked (meaning your criticism of the media organisation is invalid).

In terms of Malcolm Rifkind he was the chairman of the UK's intelligence committee until 2 years ago and is still a member of the privy council. He will have access to quite a lot of privileged information.
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