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It may be a hate crime, it may be a terror attack and a hate crime. I mean, what are the qualifications?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It may be a hate crime, it may be a terror attack and a hate crime. I mean, what are the qualifications?

Type of: act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. coup de main, surprise attack.
hate crime
noun
a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence.

they sound almost the same to me I comes down to who is saying it

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Posted 4/20/17 , edited 4/20/17

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It may be a hate crime, it may be a terror attack and a hate crime. I mean, what are the qualifications?

Type of: act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. coup de main, surprise attack.
hate crime
noun
a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence.

they sound almost the same to me I comes down to who is saying it



It could be that his crime was religious in nature, but hatred direct at others without a political driven agenda.

*Shrugs*

I would trust the police on this.
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Excuse me, but this was just a simple case of workplace violence.
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For once, I would like to see religious nutjobs stop bashing people of other religions. The OP is a Christian nutjob bashing an Islamic nutjob. They both appear the same to me.


Where did I ever say I was christian?
Stop projecting
I'm an atheist which is why I'm so critical of Islam. In all western Christian countries I am free to be atheist and the worst I can expect out in public is to be told I'm going to burn in hell. In every single Muslim majority country I would be hacked to death in the street with a machete, IF I don't get turned in to the government for 'blasphemy' and get hanged/beheaded according to their laws.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/the-13-countries-where-being-an-atheist-is-punishable-by-death-a6960561.html


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It could be that his crime was religious in nature, but hatred direct at others without a political driven agenda.

*Shrugs*



He was a member of the Nation of Islam and had posted plenty of extremist crap on his facebook. What else do you need?
https://www.facebook.com/SteveMilneNews/videos/vb.571041256344375/1295046820610478/?type=2&theater
A video of him


"We will continue to bring destruction and wrath upon America Allahu Ackbar"

Sounds political to me
"He's not a terrorist, nope!"

Fresno PD needs to get their shit together
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So why is this considered a terrorist attack and not the Quebec mosque shooting by the right?
Both shooters were highly radicalized one by Islam the other by the alt-right yet one is considered a terrorist and the other not
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So why is this considered a terrorist attack and not the Quebec mosque shooting by the right?
Both shooters were highly radicalized one by Islam the other by the alt-right yet one is considered a terrorist and the other not


I don't think there is anyone that denies that it was a terror attack. Some people are suspicious over the fact that there were three guys with rifles initially reported as the attackers, but that's about it.
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Posted 4/20/17 , edited 4/20/17

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Dark_Alma wrote:



For once, I would like to see religious nutjobs stop bashing people of other religions. The OP is a Christian nutjob bashing an Islamic nutjob. They both appear the same to me.


Where did I ever say I was christian?
Stop projecting
I'm an atheist which is why I'm so critical of Islam. In all western Christian countries I am free to be atheist and the worst I can expect out in public is to be told I'm going to burn in hell. In every single Muslim majority country I would be hacked to death in the street with a machete, IF I don't get turned in to the government for 'blasphemy' and get hanged/beheaded according to their laws.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/the-13-countries-where-being-an-atheist-is-punishable-by-death-a6960561.html


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


It could be that his crime was religious in nature, but hatred direct at others without a political driven agenda.

*Shrugs*



He was a member of the Nation of Islam and had posted plenty of extremist crap on his facebook. What else do you need?
https://www.facebook.com/SteveMilneNews/videos/vb.571041256344375/1295046820610478/?type=2&theater
A video of him


"We will continue to bring destruction and wrath upon America Allahu Ackbar"

Sounds political to me
"He's not a terrorist, nope!"

Fresno PD needs to get their shit together


I am trying to provide a dialogue on the whole terrorist attack versus hate crime thing, though Nation of Islam is a radical group with a political agenda, even today, and a history of violence, so I suppose you are right.

I am not sure of the hacking to death thing, or at least the chance of it in the lawful countries. The international community would be up in arms, supposedly. For UAE, which is a major tourist destination and host of several conventions, it would be a blow to their economy.

You are right though, they are extremely bigoted.

I have to believe the police though, unless the news can uncover some details about his life.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


uncletim wrote:

So why is this considered a terrorist attack and not the Quebec mosque shooting by the right?
Both shooters were highly radicalized one by Islam the other by the alt-right yet one is considered a terrorist and the other not


I don't think there is anyone that denies that it was a terror attack. Some people are suspicious over the fact that there were three guys with rifles initially reported as the attackers, but that's about it.


Ask any cop first hand eyewitness reports are always highly suspect right after something like this.

I don't think the guy was a terrorist I think he was just a nutter who cloaked he hate for the world in Islam
Just like this guy
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sikh-temple-shooting-suspect-wade-michael-page-was-white-supremacist/
Posted 4/20/17

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I am not sure of the hacking to death thing, or at least the chance of it in the lawful countries. The international community would be up in arms, supposedly. For UAE, which is a major tourist destination and host of several conventions, it would be a blow to their economy.

You are right though, they are extremely bigoted.


Just google 'islam athiest machete' and you can see a ton of related stories. Not sure why the international community would be 'up in arms' when Saudi Arabia has been executing and imprisoning atheists forever.
Is reuters a good enough source?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

But this year's more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

In others, like India in a recent case involving a leading critic of religion, humanists say police are often reluctant or unwilling to investigate murders of atheists carried out by religious fundamentalists.
Posted 4/20/17
People lost there lives from this scumbag what is more disturbing is he going get life in prison!
or will he get death penalty? eye for eye!
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


I am not sure of the hacking to death thing, or at least the chance of it in the lawful countries. The international community would be up in arms, supposedly. For UAE, which is a major tourist destination and host of several conventions, it would be a blow to their economy.

You are right though, they are extremely bigoted.


Just google 'islam athiest machete' and you can see a ton of related stories. Not sure why the international community would be 'up in arms' when Saudi Arabia has been executing and imprisoning atheists forever.
Is reuters a good enough source?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

But this year's more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

In others, like India in a recent case involving a leading critic of religion, humanists say police are often reluctant or unwilling to investigate murders of atheists carried out by religious fundamentalists.


Ah, I misworded. Are we talking about the judicial use of execution on blasphemy? Homosexuality is illegal as well, but there has been no known enforcement on killing homosexuals in many Middle Eastern countries, with some reasoning that it would bring international attention. Machetes hardly seem official.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


I am not sure of the hacking to death thing, or at least the chance of it in the lawful countries. The international community would be up in arms, supposedly. For UAE, which is a major tourist destination and host of several conventions, it would be a blow to their economy.

You are right though, they are extremely bigoted.


Just google 'islam athiest machete' and you can see a ton of related stories. Not sure why the international community would be 'up in arms' when Saudi Arabia has been executing and imprisoning atheists forever.
Is reuters a good enough source?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

But this year's more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

In others, like India in a recent case involving a leading critic of religion, humanists say police are often reluctant or unwilling to investigate murders of atheists carried out by religious fundamentalists.


Ah, I misworded. Are we talking about the judicial use of execution on blasphemy? Homosexuality is illegal as well, but there has been no known enforcement on killing homosexuals in many Middle Eastern countries, with some reasoning that it would bring international attention. Machetes hardly seem official.


not trying to change the subject but assad has been doing illegal gassing of his ppl fo multiple years and only now was something done
homosexuals are thrown of the roofs in middle eastern countries as well, and stoned in public
does it take outcry from western countries for people to accept it actually happens??
Posted 4/20/17

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Ah, I misworded. Are we talking about the judicial use of execution on blasphemy? Homosexuality is illegal as well, but there has been no known enforcement on killing homosexuals in many Middle Eastern countries, with some reasoning that it would bring international attention. Machetes hardly seem official.


I was originally talking about both mob killings and state sanctioned executions. Not that there is much of a difference when the police/government don't investigate the mob killings and they just let them happen.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Ah, I misworded. Are we talking about the judicial use of execution on blasphemy? Homosexuality is illegal as well, but there has been no known enforcement on killing homosexuals in many Middle Eastern countries, with some reasoning that it would bring international attention. Machetes hardly seem official.


I was originally talking about both mob killings and state sanctioned executions. Not that there is much of a difference when the police/government don't investigate the mob killings and they just let them happen.


That is probably the reason.
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