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"In any criminal case, it's the state of Florida versus whoever is being charged," said Albright, who met Wednesday with the paraprofessional who pressed the charges. Albright added that instead of pursuing any criminal charges, this case will be approached "nonjudicially."

"In this case, we are not seeking to give him a criminal record or anything of that nature," Albright said about John. "The goal is to get the Department of Juvenile Justice and the state of Florida to provide some additional assistance and counseling for him."



I don't necessarily agree with the handcuffs but at least he going to get the help he really needs now.
Reading more about the story it's not the first time he's been troubled. Hope he can adjust well as he
gets older.
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I live in Florida and my school would never do something like this, (we have many children with autism) but I'm not surprised that something like this would happen and that's absolutely disgusting.
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It seems that everyone is trying to help him instead of letting him be sifted through the system without notice. This seems to be a good thing, depending on the help that will be provided in judicial proceedings.

I have seen many kids, autistic or not, get ignored and a great deal of them have not turned out well. We need a more proactive system of educators as we need parents to be themselves proactive, but understanding.

This may be the best option once we get the ball rolling, because it seems that it is legally required for this case to happen. At this point, time out seems to be a rather minor punishment for grade schoolers, especially a ten year old.
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He was arrested for committing a crime (Battery and also threatening to kill someone) after being disruptive in class. It's NOT the job of Law Enforcement Officers to judge whether you are guilty or not in this situation where one party has called the police due to Felony Battery and Threats of Bodily Harm. Their job is to show up and tell party B (the kid in this case) that his options are to leave or to leave. It's not the LEO's job in this situation to determine whether who's right or wrong or whatever. One party wants the other removed for this reason. The right or wrongness of the School (which called Law Enforcement) is something that would be determined in court by a Judge and Jury if the mother wants to press charges or whatever. The Officers did their job correctly, they enforced the law at the behalf of one of the party who called them, which by the way Autistic or not the law applies to everyone, the consequences are what typically is different.


Law Enforcement isn't at fault here, the handler and the school maybe, however, that would be for a court to decide. Also, he needs to attend therapy because in 6-8 years he's going to have a body capable of dealing serious damage to people and if for some reason therapy doesn't help him, then unfortunately he may end up needing to be separated from everyone else. The mother also needs to stop trying to get her 30 seconds of fame off of him.
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Speaking of Florida, I just remembered a thread I need to start...
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I see a lot of these "drive by" threads with incomplete info in the op. It results in a messy thread with a lot of miss information being thrown around.
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USA is scum they don't care
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Okay so a read the whole thing and here are my thoughts.

I don't blame the school. While I wish they could have tried harder to help him or prepare a good enviroment for the kid I've seen two examples of Autism, one a classmate I used to have and the other my brother, so I have a fair idea of what's required to teach them.

But I'm assuming they were either unable or unwilling to spend the money and/or staff to manage the kid properly. Which again I can't blame them for because it can be hard. The classmate I mentioned badically needed to be babysat in school the whole day and while my brother only has mild autism, when he was young he had to be put into a special needs class at his school becuause he was too disruptive and uncommpliant for a normal classroom.

As for pressing charges it seems the teacher in question only did so in order to force the mother and school district to treat the matter seriously and dropped them afterwards.

I don't blame the police either since they were just following orders and seemed like they were being as gentle as they could.

The ones to blame for this incident being handled poorly is the court system. They are the ones that took 6 months to process and denied the request to drop said charges BY THE ONE THAT MADE THEM! They are also the ones that failed to give any prior warning about the arrest to the mother and it seems even the school may have been in the dark that the charges were still active.



Overall though while the situation was handled a bit too rough I think it was needed. As someone who has an autistic brother I know sometimes you have to give them special attention and a special enviroment to help them learn. There's also times you need to just be hard with them, because while it will make them upset, it will also make them remember why doing what they were doing is bad and must not be done.

Of course that's not to say upsetting to traumatising them is always the best solution. It's just at times you have to be tough if you want them to listen. But then there are also times you have to be gentle because if they get upset they may lock up and stop doing or listening to anything. It's complicated and it's hard to understand fully unless you've dealt with it yourself.
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Sounds like he deserved a good spanking or punched and kicked back. His behavior was pretty bad and he needs to learn cause and effect.

John, a student at Okeechobee Achievement Academy in Okeechobee, Florida, was arrested at the school last week for felony battery against a paraprofessional in an October incident, allegedly punching and kicking his paraprofessional, which left scratches and marks, according to an incident report from the Okeechobee County Sheriff's Office.

The incident occurred after John was being disruptive in class, throwing paper balls around the classroom and hitting other students, the report said. His paraprofessional asked him to go to time out. When John refused, the paraprofessional attempted to remove him, and that's when John attacked, the report said.

The report also noted that John had allegedly made threats to kill the paraprofessional in a previous incident. On November 1, the paraprofessional requested to pursue criminal charges since John "had been given plenty of opportunities to change his behavior and has not," the report said.

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By experience, when such reports of disruption were reported about the autistic, it usually hide the fact that the autistic were being provoked by constant harassment and physical assaults by both the teachers and other students. Autistic children from Asian-American families were more likely to suffer from such abuse because of both the racism from the school authority and the trust toward the Western institutions by the immigrants. The autistic program in US schools usually take-in only white students with autism but some autistic students of Asian-American families manage to get accepted into the autistic programs. When the autistic Asian-American students get accepted, the white autistic students were spared from the bullying and abuse as the corrupt authority would then sponsor bullying and harassment against the autistic Asian-Americans instead of the autistic white students.

To make things worse, the Asian-American parents could never believe that the authorities in US could commit such horrors; they could not even believe that the authority can go unpunished for acts which "are supposed to exist only in the non-Western world". The immigrants parents are willing to believe in every lies by the school principle who manage the autistic program and blame all the school problems on their autistic child; when such abuse are exposed, the lying could further allow the principle to justify any of the bullying, physical assaults, death threats, and humiliation by the school against the autistic. The unfamiliarity with autism worsen the problem by making the lies more believable and might convince the parents into believing that their autistic child are misbehaving to gain either sympathy or enjoyment. The social liberals were always complaining about the horribleness of Donald Trump but it could never compare to the horrible acts from some people who manage the autistic programs in US before Trump`s presidency.
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Bruh what do you expect it's florida


I live in Florida, and it's shit here. Not surprised
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sinoakayumi wrote:

By experience, when such reports of disruption were reported about the autistic, it usually hide the fact that the autistic were being provoked by constant harassment and physical assaults by both the teachers and other students. Autistic children from Asian-American families were more likely to suffer from such abuse because of both the racism from the school authority and the trust toward the Western institutions by the immigrants. The autistic program in US schools usually take-in only white students with autism but some autistic students of Asian-American families manage to get accepted into the autistic programs. When the autistic Asian-American students get accepted, the white autistic students were spared from the bullying and abuse as the corrupt authority would then sponsor bullying and harassment against the autistic Asian-Americans instead of the autistic white students.

To make things worse, the Asian-American parents could never believe that the authorities in US could commit such horrors; they could not even believe that the authority can go unpunished for acts which "are supposed to exist only in the non-Western world". The immigrants parents are willing to believe in every lies by the school principle who manage the autistic program and blame all the school problems on their autistic child; when such abuse are exposed, the lying could further allow the principle to justify any of the bullying, physical assaults, death threats, and humiliation by the school against the autistic. The unfamiliarity with autism worsen the problem by making the lies more believable and might convince the parents into believing that their autistic child are misbehaving to gain either sympathy or enjoyment. The social liberals were always complaining about the horribleness of Donald Trump but it could never compare to the horrible acts from some people who manage the autistic programs in US before Trump`s presidency.


While it's true some teachers and students can be horrible that doesn't mean you should become paranoid and assume that for no reason.

You shouldn't be naive and think it can't happen but the opposite extreme is no better.

I know people with autism and while I can't say I've heard death threats they can be very uncooperative and disruptive so that much of what the school reported is true.

Also assuming the claim about dropping the charges is true the teacher wasn't trying to actually get the kid arrested she just wanted something to be done and there is no real reason to assume otherwise.

Besides they claim to be trying to focus on getting the kid some help not just locking him away or anything. How well they do that is certainly a question but there is no reason to automatically assume they aren't at least trying.


BTW as for me the "special needs" program in my area has been quite helpful so while there are bad ones there are also good ones. Granted we are white, but not everyone is a racist prick.
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My son is autistic and can't stand to be touched, so I do understand and empathise.

But if a kid is hurting other people, and his paraprofessional can't stop him, he needs to not be in school. His desire to be in school (and/or his parents desire for him to be in school) does not trump the safety of others.

Does arresting him teach him anything? No. But sometimes arresting is more about the safety of others, than teaching the arrested a lesson.

The key to dealing with autism, imo, is minimizing situations that freak the person out. Homeschool him. Let his social interaction happen in situations where you can leave if he starts freaking out. Let him learn his triggers and say "let's leave" BEFORE he starts hitting, scratching and making death threats. Life will be better for him, and better for everyone around him. Forcing him into a situation where he is (understandably) going to freak out and have no way of leaving isn't good for anyone.
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First off, CNN. Meh. At least this has almost nothing to do with any political pandering, so there is little reason to distrust it.

Second, i really don't know what to say. I kinda sympathize with this kid. There has been many situations in my childhood where shit was hitting the fan, but I had no idea who was adding the shit, spinning the fan, or even who was underneath it. Even today, I struggle with multi step instructions that aren't written down, since somewhere along there, a wee bit of error or misunderstanding will drastically screw up the instructions like the Butterfly Effect. (like my latest attempt at frying cod fish. Oil was everywhere, and I just realized when I was done that I didn't dry the pan the entire way 8I ) The way people were treating the kid, clearly have no idea how to handle autism. First mistake was having him in a public school. Stress, social anxiety, even slightly unclear instructions can all cause problems. Then they tried to fix the problem by manhandling him. it's hard to explain why that's bad, but it is. Basically, you don't handle wolverines because they are vicious wild creatures with ill tempers and unpredictability. Same thing, sans the claws, teeth, fur and permanent moodiness. Handling an autistic child (or any that are throwing a temper tantrum) will result in ether wild flailing that might clock you, or intentional attacks to peel you off of them. Granted, sometimes you have to because you don't got a choice, just like zookeepers or wildlife experts.

I will say this, they really need to repeal that stupid 'no assault' thing on public school disability workers, if not all public school workers. Right now, not only is it too broadly defined to any painful physical contact, intentional or otherwise, but only an idiot would sign onto a job like that expecting everything to be orderly. It needs to be rewritten to not hold kids so liable for defensive flailing and peeling, and those who are physically handling kids need to be able to take a random swing to the eye every once in a while. I certainly had to when dealing with my little brothers when they were being little shits, so did my mother and father.

I could say a lot more, but my post is already too big.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not sure if autism is a valid excuse in this situation, once we get the middle school thing going.

But yeah, the original incident was in October 2016, and they decided arrest him now? Why?


Something about the warrant or whatever took that long to process, according to the article I read about it yesterday.




Apparently, it is to provide him help, which should have already been available, but the arrest may have also been because of obtrusive parenting. If any has ever heard of Chris-chan (An internet star, so to speak), then I suppose I see their point in desperate measures. A great deal of getting help depends on parental consent. If the parent does nothing for the child, they won't learn.

*Shudders at the thought of Chris Chan*



You.. you changed your profile picture? I've been away for too long! I must head back to my laboratory and discover what caused this change!
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