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A Message To ANTIFA Supporters and Apologists
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b6mvCejLEE

Freedom of speech is something we cannot take for granted. It is something we must protect. Not just from an oppressive government, but from those extremists who turn to terrorism to suppress free speech.

All of the justifications given by those who sympathize with those who strive to end freedom of speech, only prove that those who give such justifications are, probably without realizing it, terrorist sympathizers.

When you heap praise and adulation for a group that uses violence to suppress free speech, you show your sympathy for this violent group. When you give justification for the violent actions used to suppress free speech, you show your approval for the use of terrorism.

Freedom of speech is there for all freedom loving peoples of the world to enjoy. With freedom of speech you can voice your opinions for or against any set of ideas. With such expression of opinions, you open dialog and debate that can bring your ideals to those who may disagree. You may win over converts.

Using violence to suppress free speech takes away legitimacy of any valid arguments you may have had, and instead delegitimatizes the validity of your ideals. Instead of winning converts, you create a stronger opposition to your ideals.

As, Mouthy Buddha says, you turn Trump haters into Trump supporters.

Legitimate liberals have had their place stolen by radical leftist extremists, and have had their agenda and ideals trampled by groups like ANTIFA, BAMN (Anti Fascist and By Any Means Necessary), and other extremists.

Don't let this continue. You need to retake control of your liberal message. Disown and distance yourselves from leftist extremists. Just as conservatives have disowned and distanced themselves from right wing extremists.

The diagram below shows that leftist extremism and right wing extremism are right at the bottom, next to each other, with tyranny and serfdom.

And that is where none of us want to be. Therefore, reject those leftist radicals, and espouse moderate liberal ideals. Just as freedom loving conservatives have denounced the extremist right wing radicals.

If you are, yourself, a leftist radical or a right wing radical, then I invite you all to step back from radicalism, and instead come back to where the sane people are. Embrace left or right ideals that embrace Freedom and Liberty (at the top of the diagram).

(Liberal and Conservative don't have to be Democratic nor Republican).



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your chart is a bunch of BS. like its bad. i can tell a ultra-conservative made it
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May not be politically beneficial for trump to attempt suppressing a group that works in his favor and if he does... the right actions might help that group stay around but make trump look like he's helping stop their nasty while he gets the benefits.

The course of action that brings terrorism like this about happens often. Nearly every spiritual group across this planet utilizes some form of terrorism to preach their doctrines and going into countries, this just becomes more tuned. One can have a group like antifa doing stuff that seems to be against some other group. Because of disorganization and individuals that just go along with something instead of believing it in for themselves, other individual(s) can work towards putting these weak groups out there as they remain hidden knowing the groups won't really do much except maybe piss off some of the masses and work as a catalyst for the individual(s) agenda. These groups bolster others in ways that are rather predictable in a collective that has been manipulated for as many generations as we've known.

This works by pulling strings and understanding the effects of manipulation on public perception. This way hidden groups/individuals that seem to have nothing to do with terrorists, maybe even openly oppose the terrorists, while behind the scenes push the masses into clinging to a savior(s). Toss in a war and whatever other distraction to overload the masses with enough stuff for their attention to be anywhere but the truth so they'll grow old and die before figuring it out. I've found various examples all over the place about religions doing this over and over again scattered throughout my collection of books. People just became better at covering shit like this up.

I find that antifa is likely a group being manipulated by others to make the side antifa appears to be against more favorable to the masses. After all, the stuff they say tends to be blunt hypocrisy. Groups lately tend to have hierarchies that the leaders often do not even believe similarly to their followers... they just get really good at manipulating masses that have been fed meaning from others their entire lives and are already susceptible to manipulation.

I've heard from muslims that they believe isis to be ran by jews to make muslims look bad. Domestic terror tends to be a domestic tool.


Added this in edit:

Religious groups these days are nearly 100% terrorists. For example, christians preach need of saving... that's terrorism as an attempt to convince someone to perceive themselves as incapable of handling themselves alone without fucking themselves over forever.

Any institutions declaring themselves a singular way, stuck on their declaration, and not understanding themselves always fall to attacking with terror to give masses something else to perceive other than their obvious incompetence to master their own institutional message. I find that this always happens for any group that remains static in their doctrines because if we do not remain creative we decay. Declaring anything tends to be the first step in bottlenecking creativity and choosing to decay.
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b17bomber wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:






your chart is a bunch of BS. like its bad. i can tell a ultra-conservative made it


Yea... it is bad at best. Horrendous at worst.

Edit: The thing that made me laugh hardest about this is the "pious-right" leading to Communism (which as an Anti-Religious type of world) and the right going to Socialism, which will NEVER align with what the right wants... I am sure I could tear this pathetic excuse of a picture up... But I am too drunk to give a flying F_CK
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again, this Antifa bullshit goes against my ideal of live and let live. (not that it's a popular one for some odd reason) Why can't people just butt out of other people's ideology? I mean, they weren't hurting anyone, hell they weren't even doing anything productive other then sit around and make a bunch of noise that would accomplish nothing. IDC what they say, if Antifa was not present that day, nothing would of happened.

Please radicals, stop starting drama for no reason, it's getting old, and i'm only 23. There is only so much sitting back, shunning for poor behavior, and face palming I can do in a life, and I've been doing it for 15 years now. :I

The only thing more shameful then a bunch of radicals violently interrupting a gathering was the useless police. They literally stood there and just let it happen, outright criminal behavior. Whoever gave the order for them to just let it happen should be fired, and the officers who actually listened to it should be reprimanded in some way. They are getting paid by public taxes to keep the peace, and they can't. nay, WON'T even do that.
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I'm all for people coming together to make their voices heard but when you start rioting
and hurting people physically(assault) or monetarily(property damage) I draw the line.
At that point you're no better than terrorist in my opinion.

Posted 4/22/17 , edited 4/22/17

DeadlyOats wrote:
When you heap praise and adulation for a group that uses violence to suppress free speech, you show your sympathy for this violent group. When you give justification for the violent actions used to suppress free speech, you show your approval for the use of terrorism.


I think one of the things you've overlooked is that nobody on Crunchyroll has actually been praising or adulating ANTIFA-like actions. In both threads that we have had that focused on ANTIFA's movement (the one regarding the arrests based off Berkeley and the petition about legally labeling them as domestic terrorists), those who you probably consider as "defending" ANTIFA were basically saying that both Trump supporters AND ANTIFA are there for a fight. When you have people in camo/military garb, biker outfits with a clear identification of a group known for violence, and a group that has instigated riots in the past ... both sides look ridiculous to most people. Nobody has outright defended ANTIFA's actions, just explained that those that were there for the "rally" were just as prepped for war as ANTIFA (some even wore tactical/ballistic helmets with "MAGA" stickers on them).

As for the image you've used to illustrate that you don't have to be "Leftist" nor "Conservative" while being a Republican/Democrat is a bit bias towards a strong conservative mentality, as others have mentioned. In and of itself, it's a bit of a hypocritical image (not coming from you - just its design conflicts with its purpose). I've used it a few times to illustrate that the view of a "centralist" can be considered many things, but some also consider it a bad stance. I get a lot of crap from both Democrats and Republicans for being "on the fence" and "gray" when it comes to politics. Both sides see it as a "lack of choice" on key issues or a "traitorous view" to the Democrat/Republican lines of thought.
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Congrats, you directly adressed all 0 antifa supporters on these forums. You must be so proud.

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Hooray! Something everyone can agree upon.

This chart absolutely made my f***ing day.
You know if you want to reach out, olive branch in hand, to your ideological opponents and seek common ground, probably best not to include "Republican In Name Only" (though these days maybe I owe you a macademia white chocolate chip cookie for not having "cukservative betrayers of the great white race" there instead). "Piously correct" is also pretty funny (definitely an afterthought) and probably best replaced with the "alt-right" (though that term is admittedly very nebulous).

You know with all of these general discussion forums, i have to ask: do you guys get paid to troll Crunchyroll? Or does nothing give you greater satisfaction than spewing out 20 different flavours of "Why Former President Obama is a Kenyan Muslim", "Muslims are bad", pro-Trump rhetoric etc., which baits a response and then clogs up discussion forums with this endless back and forth bullshit. I know echo chambers are fun, but Jesus, the entire panel is filled with this crap.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b6mvCejLEE

Freedom of speech is something we cannot take for granted. It is something we must protect. Not just from an oppressive government, but from those extremists who turn to terrorism to suppress free speech.

All of the justifications given by those who sympathize with those who strive to end freedom of speech, only prove that those who give such justifications are, probably without realizing it, terrorist sympathizers.

When you heap praise and adulation for a group that uses violence to suppress free speech, you show your sympathy for this violent group. When you give justification for the violent actions used to suppress free speech, you show your approval for the use of terrorism.

Freedom of speech is there for all freedom loving peoples of the world to enjoy. With freedom of speech you can voice your opinions for or against any set of ideas. With such expression of opinions, you open dialog and debate that can bring your ideals to those who may disagree. You may win over converts.

Using violence to suppress free speech takes away legitimacy of any valid arguments you may have had, and instead delegitimatizes the validity of your ideals. Instead of winning converts, you create a stronger opposition to your ideals.

As, Mouthy Buddha says, you turn Trump haters into Trump supporters.

Legitimate liberals have had their place stolen by radical leftist extremists, and have had their agenda and ideals trampled by groups like ANTIFA, BAMN (Anti Fascist and By Any Means Necessary), and other extremists.

Don't let this continue. You need to retake control of your liberal message. Disown and distance yourselves from leftist extremists. Just as conservatives have disowned and distanced themselves from right wing extremists.

The diagram below shows that leftist extremism and right wing extremism are right at the bottom, next to each other, with tyranny and serfdom.

And that is where none of us want to be. Therefore, reject those leftist radicals, and espouse moderate liberal ideals. Just as freedom loving conservatives have denounced the extremist right wing radicals.

If you are, yourself, a leftist radical or a right wing radical, then I invite you all to step back from radicalism, and instead come back to where the sane people are. Embrace left or right ideals that embrace Freedom and Liberty (at the top of the diagram).

(Liberal and Conservative don't have to be Democratic nor Republican).





Lol....that picture is retarded.....Socialism is not Tyranny
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May not be politically beneficial for trump to attempt suppressing a group that works in his favor and if he does... the right actions might help that group stay around but make trump look like he's helping stop their nasty while he gets the benefits.

The course of action that brings terrorism like this about happens often. Nearly every spiritual group across this planet utilizes some form of terrorism to preach their doctrines and going into countries, this just becomes more tuned. One can have a group like antifa doing stuff that seems to be against some other group. Because of disorganization and individuals that just go along with something instead of believing it in for themselves, other individual(s) can work towards putting these weak groups out there as they remain hidden knowing the groups won't really do much except maybe piss off some of the masses and work as a catalyst for the individual(s) agenda. These groups bolster others in ways that are rather predictable in a collective that has been manipulated for as many generations as we've known.

This works by pulling strings and understanding the effects of manipulation on public perception. This way hidden groups/individuals that seem to have nothing to do with terrorists, maybe even openly oppose the terrorists, while behind the scenes push the masses into clinging to a savior(s). Toss in a war and whatever other distraction to overload the masses with enough stuff for their attention to be anywhere but the truth so they'll grow old and die before figuring it out. I've found various examples all over the place about religions doing this over and over again scattered throughout my collection of books. People just became better at covering shit like this up.

I find that antifa is likely a group being manipulated by others to make the side antifa appears to be against more favorable to the masses. After all, the stuff they say tends to be blunt hypocrisy. Groups lately tend to have hierarchies that the leaders often do not even believe similarly to their followers... they just get really good at manipulating masses that have been fed meaning from others their entire lives and are already susceptible to manipulation.

I've heard from muslims that they believe isis to be ran by jews to make muslims look bad. Domestic terror tends to be a domestic tool.


Added this in edit:

Religious groups these days are nearly 100% terrorists. For example, christians preach need of saving... that's terrorism as an attempt to convince someone to perceive themselves as incapable of handling themselves alone without fucking themselves over forever.

Any institutions declaring themselves a singular way, stuck on their declaration, and not understanding themselves always fall to attacking with terror to give masses something else to perceive other than their obvious incompetence to master their own institutional message. I find that this always happens for any group that remains static in their doctrines because if we do not remain creative we decay. Declaring anything tends to be the first step in bottlenecking creativity and choosing to decay.

simply preaching of being in need of saving isn't terrorism my dude, now if they did it while throwing m80s at people and rioting and beating up anyone who disagrees then that would be terrorism , you need the act of violence or intimidation
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If you know anything about the political compass this chart makes no sense. .
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I feel the definition of terrorism is getting stretched thinner and thinner with every thread.

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runec wrote:

I feel the definition of terrorism is getting stretched thinner and thinner with every thread.



to the alt-right there is no two ways about it. If you are a Muslim you are a terrorist if you speak even slightly out against Trump or the alt-right you are supporting terrorist simple as that
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uncletim wrote:


runec wrote:

I feel the definition of terrorism is getting stretched thinner and thinner with every thread.



to the alt-right there is no two ways about it. If you are a Muslim you are a terrorist if you speak even slightly out against Trump or the alt-right you are supporting terrorist simple as that


throwing m80s and hittin people is speaking out slightly?
also why does it seem you think everyone on the right is "alt right" that's just as bad as you thinking the "alt right" thinks If you are a Muslim you are a terrorist if you speak even slightly out against Trump or the alt-right you are supporting terrorist simple as that . end quote
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