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Posted 4/22/17 , edited 4/22/17

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Shok45j wrote:

I'm from Venezuela, and yes, it's utter chaos. Everyone is afraid for what might happen next. The same thing happened in 2014 because the majority wanted a change, and here we are, 3 years later. After what happened this Wednesday, a lot of people are completely demoralized (and even before that; a lot of people saw this protest in particular as "the one" which would end it all. I, for instance, don't see a change happening soon). Honestly, I appreciate your concern.


So how are your anti-trump protests going?



That's a real image over here.... They are pushing this.


I thought you did not trust MSNBC. You may want to restate your example. It seems as if you were putting some responsibility on the forumer for what other people in their country were doing.
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Posted 4/22/17 , edited 4/22/17
Somehow, it seems today there was no repression during the protest march, what a miracle #Progress
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I had investigated the situation. Here is the information that I gathered:

The violence and human right violation by Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela during 2017 is not severe in comparison to other Latin American nations; in fact, the current violence is less severe than the past decades. Violent protests occur over this past two months but the total casualty is only around 50. The IMF and World Bank had support many Crony Capitalist regimes across Latin America and the action of those Capitalist regimes can truly be described as genocide and dictatorship.

The Capitalists want to worsen the political instability in Venezuela so they can blame Socialism for the chaos and recover their Capitalist ego. The Capitalists have little direct involvement in 2017 but they use the media to spread bias information and take advantage of the current unrest from the economic crisis. They convincing the public to use violent rebelion as the only solution for the hardship. Propaganda tactics include: judgement on Maduro under first world standard, half-truth, inappropriate labels, exaggeration, and vivid imagery.

The economic crisis in Venezuela under Socialist presidency can be explained by the dependency on oil export and the collapse of the international oil market; the economic hardship under Hugo Chavez presidency follow the 2008 global recession while the economic hardship under Maduro presidency follow the oil price collapse in 2016. The refusal to accept foreign aids from IMF and World Bank because those organization demand the implementation of weaker law enforcement toward foreign business who want to take advantage of the chaos.

Due to the Venezuelan cultural obsession with oil, Hugo Chavez create a Socialist economy that revolve around the international oil market which cannot deal with the collapse of the international oil market. A coup against Chavez, along with several suspected assassination attempts, by the opposition cause radicalization of the Socialist party and prevent Chavez from addrssing this flaw during the 2008 global recession. Nicholas Maduro is now taking some convenient measures to address the oil crisis.

For historic information, the oil industry has a huge impact on Venezuelan history after a huge oil reserve was discovered in World War 1. The huge wealth from oil lead to huge economic prosperity and encourage immigration especially from refugees of World War 2. The discovery of oil also lead to intense power struggle and corruption. Corruption in Venezuela was already high before the discovery of oil and its discovery has cause Venezuela to become one of the most corrupted countries in the world. The Socialist movement in Venezuela is an extension of this conflict for oil and its Socialist party is also characterized by this corruption so the mismanagement by the Venezuelan Socialist Party, in contrary to Capitalist propaganda, cannot be attributed to Socialism.
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Take up arms, revolt. The seeds of anarchy have been sown, let the flowers bloom.
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Socialism is impacted to a greater extent by corruption and mismanagement, by its very centralized nature and fewer forces for self-correction. That's why they need constant revolution and that is a tiring way to live. Markets are self-corrective in general and payment comes from the its nature for the non-productive activity. This is ultimately the failure of Principle's of Socialism to solve the distribution of goods and services.
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sinoakayumi wrote:
Due to the Venezuelan cultural obsession with oil, Hugo Chavez create a Socialist economy that revolve around the international oil market which cannot deal with the collapse of the international oil market. A coup against Chavez, along with several suspected assassination attempts, by the opposition cause radicalization of the Socialist party and prevent Chavez from addrssing this flaw during the 2008 global recession. Nicholas Maduro is now taking some convenient measures to address the oil crisis.


This is generally why becoming a specialized, globalist economy is risky and some isolationist policies promoting Autarky can make a country more resilient to abrupt changes in the international market.
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Posted 5/21/17 , edited 5/21/17

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Socialism is impacted to a greater extent by corruption and mismanagement, by its very centralized nature and fewer forces for self-correction. That's why they need constant revolution and that is a tiring way to live. Markets are self-corrective in general and payment comes from the its nature for the non-productive activity. This is ultimately the failure of Principle's of Socialism to solve the distribution of goods and services.


Your idea rest on several flawed assumptions as explained in the topic called "Capitalist Fantasy Logic":
1) democracy cannot work; this is disproven by the Western nations where democracy is praised more than Capitalism for success.
2) the invisible hand do not function outside of the market; this is disproven by the Capitalists who are now claiming that the invisible hand can function within the Socialist elements of Sweden, US, and China.
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sinoakayumi wrote:


Jamming777 wrote:

Socialism is impacted to a greater extent by corruption and mismanagement, by its very centralized nature and fewer forces for self-correction. That's why they need constant revolution and that is a tiring way to live. Markets are self-corrective in general and payment comes from the its nature for the non-productive activity. This is ultimately the failure of Principle's of Socialism to solve the distribution of goods and services.


Your idea rest on several flawed assumptions as explained in the topic called "Capitalist Fantasy Logic":
1) democracy cannot work; this is disproven by the Western nations where democracy is praised more than Capitalism for success.
2) the invisible hand do not function outside of the market; this is disproven by the Capitalists who are now claiming that the invisible hand can function within the Socialist elements of Sweden, US, and China.


As opposed to the "Socialist Fantasy Logic" and its Worker's Paradise of empty shelves and stomachs.
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Posted 5/21/17 , edited 5/22/17

Jamming777 wrote:


sinoakayumi wrote:


Jamming777 wrote:

Socialism is impacted to a greater extent by corruption and mismanagement, by its very centralized nature and fewer forces for self-correction. That's why they need constant revolution and that is a tiring way to live. Markets are self-corrective in general and payment comes from the its nature for the non-productive activity. This is ultimately the failure of Principle's of Socialism to solve the distribution of goods and services.


Your idea rest on several flawed assumptions as explained in the topic called "Capitalist Fantasy Logic":
1) democracy cannot work; this is disproven by the Western nations where democracy is praised more than Capitalism for success.
2) the invisible hand do not function outside of the market; this is disproven by the Capitalists who are now claiming that the invisible hand can function within the Socialist elements of Sweden, US, and China.


As opposed to the "Socialist Fantasy Logic" and its Worker's Paradise of empty shelves and stomachs.


And, "pure-pure fantasy logic" and it's obsession with purity leading to long run failures. The democratic-republic of America, the socialistic-Capitalism in Europe and the USA, and China's capitalistic-communism have shown greater and longer lasting life-spans than most "strict adherence" rigid systems, IMHO. Socialist institutions like social (-ist) security and single payer can really work wonders you know.
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sinoakayumi wrote:

I had investigated the situation. Here is the information that I gathered:

The violence and human right violation by Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela during 2017 is not severe in comparison to other Latin American nations; in fact, the current violence is less severe than the past decades. Violent protests occur over this past two months but the total casualty is only around 50. The IMF and World Bank had support many Crony Capitalist regimes across Latin America and the action of those Capitalist regimes can truly be described as genocide and dictatorship.

The Capitalists want to worsen the political instability in Venezuela so they can blame Socialism for the chaos and recover their Capitalist ego. The Capitalists have little direct involvement in 2017 but they use the media to spread bias information and take advantage of the current unrest from the economic crisis. They convincing the public to use violent rebelion as the only solution for the hardship. Propaganda tactics include: judgement on Maduro under first world standard, half-truth, inappropriate labels, exaggeration, and vivid imagery.



These two paragraphs look ripped straight away from governmental news sources, you should have dug a little deeper for more information to make a contrast, those statements are not reflective of the situation, they look like chavista propaganda. And, please, never ever downplay the deaths of people due to any circumstance, specially in this case, where people are killed for thinking differently from their government
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MopZ wrote:


Jamming777 wrote:


sinoakayumi wrote:


Jamming777 wrote:

Socialism is impacted to a greater extent by corruption and mismanagement, by its very centralized nature and fewer forces for self-correction. That's why they need constant revolution and that is a tiring way to live. Markets are self-corrective in general and payment comes from the its nature for the non-productive activity. This is ultimately the failure of Principle's of Socialism to solve the distribution of goods and services.


Your idea rest on several flawed assumptions as explained in the topic called "Capitalist Fantasy Logic":
1) democracy cannot work; this is disproven by the Western nations where democracy is praised more than Capitalism for success.
2) the invisible hand do not function outside of the market; this is disproven by the Capitalists who are now claiming that the invisible hand can function within the Socialist elements of Sweden, US, and China.


As opposed to the "Socialist Fantasy Logic" and its Worker's Paradise of empty shelves and stomachs.


And, "pure-pure fantasy logic" and it's obsession with purity leading to long run failures. The democratic-republic of America, the socialistic-Capitalism in Europe and the USA, and China's capitalistic-communism have shown greater and longer lasting life-spans than most "strict adherence" rigid systems, IMHO. Socialist institutions like social (-ist) security and single payer can really work wonders you know.


Like turn water into wine?
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ITS NOT REAL SOCIALISM!!!! THEY JUST ARENT DOING IT RIGHT!!!!
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With all the problems around here in my city (San Cristóbal, Tachira) I haven't checked the forums in a long time. The last few days were horrific, a lot of grocery stores were sacked, even big supermarkets ... in six days 5 people around the state died, the GNB or Police did not kill them, were the freaking extremists or "Colectivos" as we call them. This guys are basically the scumb. They all have guns and patrol the city at nigth in groups. We are struggling but we aint gonna let this f*****ers ruin our Country, not anymore. ¡Resistencia Gocha!
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A wider percentage of the populace gaining financial independence from their children for longer periods in their Golden years and longer life-spans with socialist programs like medicare and medicaid. So, yeah. Totes why it's not a very popular thing to the majority to get rid of them, in many countries.



Democratic-socialist Germany bounced back after the recession faster than the USA did.
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Posted 5/23/17 , edited 5/23/17

Jamming777 wrote:


sinoakayumi wrote:


Jamming777 wrote:

Socialism is impacted to a greater extent by corruption and mismanagement, by its very centralized nature and fewer forces for self-correction. That's why they need constant revolution and that is a tiring way to live. Markets are self-corrective in general and payment comes from the its nature for the non-productive activity. This is ultimately the failure of Principle's of Socialism to solve the distribution of goods and services.


Your idea rest on several flawed assumptions as explained in the topic called "Capitalist Fantasy Logic":
1) democracy cannot work; this is disproven by the Western nations where democracy is praised more than Capitalism for success.
2) the invisible hand do not function outside of the market; this is disproven by the Capitalists who are now claiming that the invisible hand can function within the Socialist elements of Sweden, US, and China.


As opposed to the "Socialist Fantasy Logic" and its Worker's Paradise of empty shelves and stomachs.



dragontackle wrote:

ITS NOT REAL SOCIALISM!!!! THEY JUST ARENT DOING IT RIGHT!!!!


So you two can no longer justify Capitalism with the Capitalist logic, propaganda, nor brainwashing. You are now projecting your Capitalist character into the Socialists and evoking the Socialist stereotype from the Capitalist propaganda so the Socialists will embody all your shame.
@dragontackle your obsessive ranting assume that something is real Socialism only when it failed. You Capitalists evoke this obsessive delusion by claiming that failed Capitalist/mixed economy is "Socialist" and that successful Socialist/mixed economy is "Capitalist".
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