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Posted 5/23/17

ssjwes1980 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

On the plus side, it's only a bit worse than the situation in the U.S. right now.





"Only a bit" please don't make light of Venezuela's situation, people are dying in the streets. Have a heart.


unfortunately theres truth to what he said.

people arent dying yet but they will soon. this healthcare cut trump is talking about will make my mom's medicine jump up 20 times the cost they are now. no way she can afford that, and so she can only choose homelessness or death.

so yeah VENEZUELA is only SLIGHTLY worse off right now than the USA. and its only slightly because Trump and his horrible policies will leave in 3 years
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I had investigated the situation. Here is the information that I gathered:

The violence and human right violation by Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela during 2017 is not severe in comparison to other Latin American nations; in fact, the current violence is less severe than the past decades. Violent protests occur over this past two months but the total casualty is only around 50. The IMF and World Bank had support many Crony Capitalist regimes across Latin America and the action of those Capitalist regimes can truly be described as genocide and dictatorship.

The Capitalists want to worsen the political instability in Venezuela so they can blame Socialism for the chaos and recover their Capitalist ego. The Capitalists have little direct involvement in 2017 but they use the media to spread bias information and take advantage of the current unrest from the economic crisis. They convincing the public to use violent rebelion as the only solution for the hardship. Propaganda tactics include: judgement on Maduro under first world standard, half-truth, inappropriate labels, exaggeration, and vivid imagery.



These two paragraphs look ripped straight away from governmental news sources, you should have dug a little deeper for more information to make a contrast, those statements are not reflective of the situation, they look like chavista propaganda. And, please, never ever downplay the deaths of people due to any circumstance, specially in this case, where people are killed for thinking differently from their government


I actually obtain my source from the social media like Twitter and Facebook where the adminsitarators are known to be biased toward Liberalism and Capitalism; My source on the murder rates and human right violation are not even from the Chavista; they are from the concrete descriptions by the anti-government protestors in Venezuela.
You are also saying that I am downplaying the deaths in Venezuela when I am highlighting the deaths in other Latin American countries under Capitalist regimes; if the context of your statements is accounted for, then you are claiming that the deaths by the Crony Capitalists regime should be ignored just because their deaths is so numerous that it distract people from deaths by other causes.
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Posted 5/23/17

sinoakayumi wrote:


Gonikku wrote:


sinoakayumi wrote:

I had investigated the situation. Here is the information that I gathered:

The violence and human right violation by Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela during 2017 is not severe in comparison to other Latin American nations; in fact, the current violence is less severe than the past decades. Violent protests occur over this past two months but the total casualty is only around 50. The IMF and World Bank had support many Crony Capitalist regimes across Latin America and the action of those Capitalist regimes can truly be described as genocide and dictatorship.

The Capitalists want to worsen the political instability in Venezuela so they can blame Socialism for the chaos and recover their Capitalist ego. The Capitalists have little direct involvement in 2017 but they use the media to spread bias information and take advantage of the current unrest from the economic crisis. They convincing the public to use violent rebelion as the only solution for the hardship. Propaganda tactics include: judgement on Maduro under first world standard, half-truth, inappropriate labels, exaggeration, and vivid imagery.



These two paragraphs look ripped straight away from governmental news sources, you should have dug a little deeper for more information to make a contrast, those statements are not reflective of the situation, they look like chavista propaganda. And, please, never ever downplay the deaths of people due to any circumstance, specially in this case, where people are killed for thinking differently from their government


I actually obtain my source from the social media like Twitter and Facebook where the adminsitarators are known to be biased toward Liberalism and Capitalism; My source on the murder rates and human right violation are not even from the Chavista; they are from the concrete descriptions by the anti-government protestors in Venezuela.
You are also saying that I am downplaying the deaths in Venezuela when I am highlighting the deaths in other Latin American countries under Capitalist regimes; if the context of your statements is accounted for, then you are claiming that the deaths by the Crony Capitalists regime should be ignored just because their deaths is so numerous that it distract people from deaths by other causes.



Your sources don't seem very reliable, specially about the murder rates and human rights violation, Venezuela is known for having one of the (if not the) worst murder rate in the world, its capital, Caracas, is the city with the highest murder rate in the entire world (if not, it has the second highest) and I've never seen anti-government protestors in Venezuela not making a big deal about how high the murder rates and human rights violations are in the country, both of which have been escalating in recent years, there's no way the violence is less severe than before, so that seems strange, to say the least.
Finally, good for you for highlighting deaths in other countries, but that was never my point, the way you phrased that sentence makes it look like you're downplaying the 50 deaths in Venezuela, and every death by violence is wrong, no matter the economical policies of the country it happened, I'm not downplaying any death by any regime of any country, I was just pointing out how you seem to think that because these are "only around 50" deaths, they don't have the same weight as any other death in any other part of the world. These 50 are 50 more than necessary for Venezuela, just like every single death by any dictatorial regime in history death should've never happened.
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Hey least no one of importance died! /s


Jokes aside why are they protesting exactly ....this is just awful
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Posted 5/23/17 , edited 5/25/17

b17bomber wrote:


ssjwes1980 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

On the plus side, it's only a bit worse than the situation in the U.S. right now.





"Only a bit" please don't make light of Venezuela's situation, people are dying in the streets. Have a heart.


unfortunately theres truth to what he said.

people arent dying yet but they will soon. this healthcare cut trump is talking about will make my mom's medicine jump up 20 times the cost they are now. no way she can afford that, and so she can only choose homelessness or death.

so yeah VENEZUELA is only SLIGHTLY worse off right now than the USA. and its only slightly because Trump and his horrible policies will leave in 3 years


Ain't that the truth one guy on reddit was upset and cooling off steam because no his brother can't afford healthcare and his health issues cost too much per year ....it's either put the family in debt forever or plan his funeral and his family was planning his funeral he had some posts from his Facebook and stuff from his family honestly the whole thing was fucked.

He wasn't the only one it seems a lot of people now are having to go without the surgeries etc they need because they can't afford it and going into debt from it will be not escapable so a lot of people are preparing to die since it's easier on there families financially

I know people personally who are negatively effected a lot and it sucks
Posted 5/23/17

b17bomber wrote:


ssjwes1980 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

On the plus side, it's only a bit worse than the situation in the U.S. right now.





"Only a bit" please don't make light of Venezuela's situation, people are dying in the streets. Have a heart.


unfortunately theres truth to what he said.

people arent dying yet but they will soon. this healthcare cut trump is talking about will make my mom's medicine jump up 20 times the cost they are now. no way she can afford that, and so she can only choose homelessness or death.

so yeah VENEZUELA is only SLIGHTLY worse off right now than the USA. and its only slightly because Trump and his horrible policies will leave in 3 years


> Let's try to stay on topic please take your Trump comments to Trump thread this is about what is going on in Venezuela.
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Posted 5/23/17
Socialism fails yet again. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Poor Socialism, its lonely in the dustbin of history.

Equality is achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery,
it is a Ponzi scheme of Epic proportions. Socialism has always proven to be a
source tyranny and misery. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives do not
matter and/or are ignored totally. The centrally planned economies deprave the
human spirit and deny human development of new ideas.

Not just failures in Central/South America but also in Europe (like Spain and Greece).
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Someone needs to overthrow that POS dictator Maduro and throw his hind parts out of Venezuela. So yeah, get him out of there!
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AppleFart wrote:

Socialism fails yet again. Sometimes you get what you deserve.



Jamming777 wrote:

Poor Socialism, its lonely in the dustbin of history.

Equality is achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery,
it is a Ponzi scheme of Epic proportions. Socialism has always proven to be a
source tyranny and misery. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives do not
matter and/or are ignored totally. The centrally planned economies deprave the
human spirit and deny human development of new ideas.

Not just failures in Central/South America but also in Europe (like Spain and Greece).


Can you two stop repeating your trolls? You are embracing the Capitalist delusion that has now been invalidated by the previous posts.


KurtIrving wrote:

Someone needs to overthrow that POS dictator Maduro and throw his hind parts out of Venezuela. So yeah, get him out of there!


The US has use that magical girl mentality in their intervention in the Middle East and it worsen the crisis in Syria. The current choas and resource shortage in Venezuela prevent democracy from working. Many poor voters are too hungry to vote; the rich voters can easily elect a president that serve the rich at the cost to the poor.

Anyway, I should come up with ideas to solve the crisis in Venezuela: Some of the Venezuelan protestors may want to gain refugee status so I am thinking that US should open its border to Venezuelan immigrants. The US is partly at fault for allowing the 2008 global recession to destroy Venezuelan economy. However, a few posts here talk about the horrible presidency of Trump and make me reconsider this idea.
The NGOs and US should deliver aids to Venezuelan citizen without demanding Neo-Liberalist policies. The Westerners belief that health care and basic food should be provided to everyone so costs should not be a concern. They may not trust the Venezuelan government but they can deliver the aids directly to the Venezuelan citizen.
The oil industry could be improved in other nations so the oil in Venezuela will be a less valuable source of corruption and conflicts. It may also encourage the Venezuelan government to invest in other industries and lessen their dependency on oil; in this way, Venezuela would not suffer that much from further global recessions and oil crisis.
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Posted 5/23/17
Socialist governments fail again and again. Usually after they run out of other people's money and then the entitled get angry and riot.
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Posted 5/23/17

AppleFart wrote:

Socialist governments fail again and again. Usually after they run out of other people's money and then the entitled get angry and riot.


well i mean pure Capitalism is right up there also (though no where near DEATH AND PROTEST levels) neither are perfect systems a good economy is a balanced one taken from the majority of capitalism but taking in ideas from socialism that didnt' suck a mixed economy aka what most countries use today.
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They need a Pinochet

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