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Posted 4/23/17 , edited 4/23/17

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lol i was assuming this post was goin gto be about living the fast life and dying young.
Plus the first thing i noticed was that the OP is only 20.
But yeah like others have said, makes no sense to suggest that living until 60-80 is dying young??...

Iam 36 and i can say that i would much prefer a short life of happiness as opposed to long life of being un happy. You're only 20, life gets tougher. There's alot of shit that you're going to still go through.
Guess it's a tough one. The shorter your life the less suffering, yet the longer your life, the more good experiences. But suffering is inevitable, having good experiences can depend on alot.
The way that the world is going, i really feel for the new generation.



In human terms 80 is not young as I said but in the terms of the world around us humans die really early before we can do everything we want to.

Heck I'm not even sure a society of humans that only lives for 80 years each could survive space travel and other advancements in the future but that's s different topic

Though you say life will get tougher for me well if life is going to get tougher then being right on the edge of death and suffering pain most people I have met can't imagine then I can only say ....this will make for one interesting ride hahaha
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Uh, how would you define a long life? Is there any amount other than infinite that would allow you to do everything you want to do? Does time have intrinsic value to you (meaning if you could stay alive but do absolutely nothing, would that satisfy you)?
On the other hand, what have you done in attempt to increase the length of your life? To me it looks like a lot of your habits are in order to eliminate pain on expense of health (bad health = More likely to have a short life). If time did have intrinsic value to you, wouldn't it make sense to act in order to (possibly) increase the length of your life despite the paint that doing so might cause you? And really, aren't you just wasting that precious time by starting this discussion? How about studying some science to start researching how we could increase our life span instead?

Personally I try to be pragmatic and would say that I would be satisfied if I could live a relatively long human life and do some of the things I find valuable. Time has no intrinsic value to me but the things I can use it on do, just like with money. Mulling over things that are outside my area of influence atm (like the biology of humans) means wasting that valuable time on nothingness. How long my life will be is ultimately unknown and will be unknown forever. That's the premise I will build my life on.
Posted 4/23/17

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To me the idea is just sad....a short but happy life... i would rather a shitty life that is very long personally.

What's the point in being happy if your going to just die early within 60-80 years.

Seems like a waste why bother doing anything with your life, in that case, it's just a transient phase that once you die nothing goes on it all becomes a waste.

I can't understand those who think "Live for the moment and enjoy life as it is" or "enjoy the time you have" ....just seems to me like a waste of time to pour effort into something that would end so soon.



Okay, I'm going to preface this with a simple tidbit. The average life expectancy for a male is 76 years old (in America), female would be 81 years old. On average, as a species, our life expectancy is around 79 years old. So the "dying early within 60-80 years" is a bit off. Though, I would argue that any human life is significantly short in the overall perspective of time (even someone who lived to be 100 years old has lived a short life when compared to the flow of our known time).

Now... onto the other stuff...

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The most important aspect of this post and the thread is the idea of living a happy life versus living a life with sadness. I would say that the agony of life and the upheavel of personality or lifestyle changes yield for a more interesting life. Though, I don't believe that any life is without some type of tribulation - be it human or otherwise. Humans are more prone to emotional trauma/pain. Regardless of the age, you're bound to have one of the following happen in your life:

- Losing a loved one - Be it a family member, a long-term friend, or your intermediate family (spouse/child) .. you'll eventually lose someone in your life unless you die far before any of them (then you'll be their "trauma").
- Conflicts with romance - Whether it's your sexuality in question, having a crush on someone (as a child/teenager), or having heartache after a break-up .. you're prone to encountering some type of emotional pain from these kinds of situations. Even if you lived a life without romance, you'll be in agony over the lack of a relationship (or more so, the companionship).
- Economic woes - Even if you come from a rich family, the ebb and flow of global economics can impact you negatively. Even before such a reliance on commerce/economics, people struggled with making sure they had food to eat, a place to live, and a position to maintain these basic requirements of life.
- "And more!" - The experiences a human encounters in their lifetime is never so easy to generalize altogether, as "experience may vary". But due to social, economic, political, and medical conflicts in life.. you never know when your life is going to take a turn for the worse.

I find that some people think that my life has been filled with nothing but trauma and agony. My parents both died before I was an adult, a friend of mine committed suicide when I was in Japan (as a teenager), my fiance (at the time) was killed by a drunk driver when I was 19, my family is an absolute mess, I've been homeless before (for around six months), and I've gone through numerous relationships in my life (some more traumatic than others).

I always lived my life (coincidentally enough) thinking that I was going to die by the time I was 30 (I say, as I'm just a few days from hitting 33). I fought to study the things I wanted to study, worked to make sure I could afford the things I wanted to buy, took care of my grandparents and tried to mend my family, and sought out experiences in life (travel, jobs/careers, and the likes). Even among the "trauma", I think I reached the point in life where I could die "happy" a long while ago. Now how does this coincide with the thread? ... Here we go.

Life is life. Whether it be happy or sad before you die, the only thing that matters is your own perspective on how your life progressed. The view of 60-80 being "short" is a bit of a frivolous aspect of the question that was proposed. Life, regardless of how long you live as a human, is short. If you die today or 96-100 years from now, your life is insignificant in the overall scheme of mankind. Enjoy your ups and downs in life, as they and the short time on Earth you have are the only things that you'll ever see in the universe. Regardless of the ebb and flow of society, politics, and so forth .. you are but yourself. Experience may vary. Perception may vary..
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Ryulightorb wrote:

To me the idea is just sad....a short but happy life... i would rather a shitty life that is very long personally.

What's the point in being happy if your going to just die early within 60-80 years.

Seems like a waste why bother doing anything with your life, in that case, it's just a transient phase that once you die nothing goes on it all becomes a waste.

I can't understand those who think "Live for the moment and enjoy life as it is" or "enjoy the time you have" ....just seems to me like a waste of time to pour effort into something that would end so soon.



Okay, I'm going to preface this with a simple tidbit. The average life expectancy for a male is 76 years old (in America), female would be 81 years old. On average, as a species, our life expectancy is around 79 years old. So the "dying early within 60-80 years" is a bit off. Though, I would argue that any human life is significantly short in the overall perspective of time (even someone who lived to be 100 years old has lived a short life when compared to the flow of our known time).

Now... onto the other stuff...

--

The most important aspect of this post and the thread is the idea of living a happy life versus living a life with sadness. I would say that the agony of life and the upheavel of personality or lifestyle changes yield for a more interesting life. Though, I don't believe that any life is without some type of tribulation - be it human or otherwise. Humans are more prone to emotional trauma/pain. Regardless of the age, you're bound to have one of the following happen in your life:

- Losing a loved one - Be it a family member, a long-term friend, or your intermediate family (spouse/child) .. you'll eventually lose someone in your life unless you die far before any of them (then you'll be their "trauma").
- Conflicts with romance - Whether it's your sexuality in question, having a crush on someone (as a child/teenager), or having heartache after a break-up .. you're prone to encountering some type of emotional pain from these kinds of situations. Even if you lived a life without romance, you'll be in agony over the lack of a relationship (or more so, the companionship).
- Economic woes - Even if you come from a rich family, the ebb and flow of global economics can impact you negatively. Even before such a reliance on commerce/economics, people struggled with making sure they had food to eat, a place to live, and a position to maintain these basic requirements of life.
- "And more!" - The experiences a human encounters in their lifetime is never so easy to generalize altogether, as "experience may vary". But due to social, economic, political, and medical conflicts in life.. you never know when your life is going to take a turn for the worse.

I find that some people think that my life has been filled with nothing but trauma and agony. My parents both died before I was an adult, a friend of mine committed suicide when I was in Japan (as a teenager), my fiance (at the time) was killed by a drunk driver when I was 19, my family is an absolute mess, I've been homeless before (for around six months), and I've gone through numerous relationships in my life (some more traumatic than others).

I always lived my life (coincidentally enough) thinking that I was going to die by the time I was 30 (I say, as I'm just a few days from hitting 33). I fought to study the things I wanted to study, worked to make sure I could afford the things I wanted to buy, took care of my grandparents and tried to mend my family, and sought out experiences in life (travel, jobs/careers, and the likes). Even among the "trauma", I think I reached the point in life where I could die "happy" a long while ago. Now how does this coincide with the thread? ... Here we go.

Life is life. Whether it be happy or sad before you die, the only thing that matters is your own perspective on how your life progressed. The view of 60-80 being "short" is a bit of a frivolous aspect of the question that was proposed. Life, regardless of how long you live as a human, is short. If you die today or 96-100 years from now, your life is insignificant in the overall scheme of mankind. Enjoy your ups and downs in life, as they and the short time on Earth you have are the only things that you'll ever see in the universe. Regardless of the ebb and flow of society, politics, and so forth .. you are but yourself. Experience may vary. Perception may vary..



90 years is average where i live sad it's lower in America.
You are right life is always short on the whole scheme of things however i don't see the point in "enjoying" a small time on earth...personally i would rather ditch doing stuff that makes me happy and focus on thing such as trying to advance life expectation but that's me each person is difference.

But you are right perception and experience varies per person each person is difference.

I personally don't think i could ever die "happy" because the idea of death itself to me is the very enemy of mankind death is the ultimate evil we all face in the end.

but each person has their own views which is what makes us unique :D
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Uh, how would you define a long life? Is there any amount other than infinite that would allow you to do everything you want to do? Does time have intrinsic value to you (meaning if you could stay alive but do absolutely nothing, would that satisfy you)?
On the other hand, what have you done in attempt to increase the length of your life? To me it looks like a lot of your habits are in order to eliminate pain on expense of health (bad health = More likely to have a short life). If time did have intrinsic value to you, wouldn't it make sense to act in order to (possibly) increase the length of your life despite the paint that doing so might cause you? And really, aren't you just wasting that precious time by starting this discussion? How about studying some science to start researching how we could increase our life span instead?

Personally I try to be pragmatic and would say that I would be satisfied if I could live a relatively long human life and do some of the things I find valuable. Time has no intrinsic value to me but the things I can use it on do, just like with money. Mulling over things that are outside my area of influence atm (like the biology of humans) means wasting that valuable time on nothingness. How long my life will be is ultimately unknown and will be unknown forever. That's the premise I will build my life on.




400-500 at least.
Time has intrinsic value to me if i could stay alive and do absolutely nothing that would satisfy me.

I do research and study usually but i'm on holiday right now (just got back) so im going back to studying this week.
I'm moving next year specifically so i can further my study and become a programmer and then use those skills in a field to help advance human life spans.

I believe we can make our life spans last 400-500 given time research and dedication..even if we have to give up our humanity merge with technology or edit our genes i believe we can make it there.
Posted 4/23/17

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90 years is average where i live sad it's lower in America.


Well, not to beat a dead horse too far into the ground (pun intended). But every statistics page I can find that outlines Canadian life expectancy shows 81.93 years as the average age overall (between both genders).

Source One: Geoba - Iffy source, but linking anyways.
Source Two: Statistics Canada (Life Expectancy, health-adjusted - Good source, data last taken two years ago.

But again, aside from the point. I just noticed that people were giving you grief over the "early" aspect of your post. Just figured I'd throw some numbers at you since it's not really perceived as early from a statistical approach (perhaps it's anecdotal?). Either way. you know how people get on these forums over minor details.


Ryulightorb wrote:
I personally don't think i could ever die "happy" because the idea of death itself to me is the very enemy of mankind death is the ultimate evil we all face in the end. But each person has their own views which is what makes us unique :D


"Happiness" is a perspective you choose to view life in one way or another, same with sadness or otherwise. The perspective of death is not much different in that regard (as the individual who is dying or the individual who survives someone else's death). I don't see death as "evil" - just see it as part of the human condition. It's part of life, which means it can be taken in whatever way the individual chooses to take it. As you said, that's what makes us unique (to a degree).
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What's the point of living long if it's shitty. I wanna be a firework
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Ryulightorb wrote:
90 years is average where i live sad it's lower in America.


Well, not to beat a dead horse too far into the ground (pun intended). But every statistics page I can find that outlines Canadian life expectancy shows 81.93 years as the average age overall (between both genders).

Source One: Geoba - Iffy source, but linking anyways.
Source Two: Statistics Canada (Life Expectancy, health-adjusted - Good source, data last taken two years ago.

But again, aside from the point. I just noticed that people were giving you grief over the "early" aspect of your post. Just figured I'd throw some numbers at you since it's not really perceived as early from a statistical approach (perhaps it's anecdotal?). Either way. you know how people get on these forums over minor details.


Ryulightorb wrote:
I personally don't think i could ever die "happy" because the idea of death itself to me is the very enemy of mankind death is the ultimate evil we all face in the end. But each person has their own views which is what makes us unique :D


"Happiness" is a perspective you choose to view life in one way or another, same with sadness or otherwise. The perspective of death is not much different in that regard (as the individual who is dying or the individual who survives someone else's death). I don't see death as "evil" - just see it as part of the human condition. It's part of life, which means it can be taken in whatever way the individual chooses to take it. As you said, that's what makes us unique (to a degree).




Rip i was a little off Average is 82-4 here. i'm Australian.
And yeah you are true ....i think i take it as evil as i fear it and aim to one day see the human race evolve past such things (hopefully even if very unlikely....)

One can dream >.<
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Why bother thinking about it?
You have your life right now and you can do what you want with it. Death is just a part of life
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Why bother thinking about it?
You have your life right now and you can do what you want with it. Death is just a part of life


It's a part of life yes for now i want to work my life hard to help eliminate it one day
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Ryulightorb wrote:
400-500 at least.
Time has intrinsic value to me if i could stay alive and do absolutely nothing that would satisfy me.

I do research and study usually but i'm on holiday right now (just got back) so im going back to studying this week.
I'm moving next year specifically so i can further my study and become a programmer and then use those skills in a field to help advance human life spans.

I believe we can make our life spans last 400-500 given time research and dedication..even if we have to give up our humanity merge with technology or edit our genes i believe we can make it there.


What do you need holidays for? I mean you're arguing here that nothing matters unless you can live at least 400 years so better get to it. Time to get rid of all the things that don't matter like holidays and being on CR. You have plenty of time to enjoy those after you accomplish your goal, right?
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Ryulightorb wrote:
400-500 at least.
Time has intrinsic value to me if i could stay alive and do absolutely nothing that would satisfy me.

I do research and study usually but i'm on holiday right now (just got back) so im going back to studying this week.
I'm moving next year specifically so i can further my study and become a programmer and then use those skills in a field to help advance human life spans.

I believe we can make our life spans last 400-500 given time research and dedication..even if we have to give up our humanity merge with technology or edit our genes i believe we can make it there.


What do you need holidays for? I mean you're arguing here that nothing matters unless you can live at least 400 years so better get to it. Time to get rid of all the things that don't matter like holidays and being on CR. You have plenty of time to enjoy those after you accomplish your goal, right?


Well the holiday i was on was mostly for the fact of visiting the city i plan to move to so i can study and get my diploma...i needed to learn the layout of the city and how to get around it etc.

I counted it as a holiday but i didn't go just to have fun also the point being nothing matters unless you can live 400 years so i would rather just spend most of my time playing games and watching anime then doing something "constructive" since the "Constructive" part is just as much of a waste.

Though i try my best to mix some optomism in an force myself to study and work towards my goal even though i think it's pointless and i'm wasting my time which would be better spent doing something that requires no effort and produces nothing.

Heck as much as i want to live to 400 i can't even just study 24/7 i wish i could but my mental health would quickly take a giant hit and i would become unable to work at all

No matter how dedicated you are to something or want something free time to lay back is a necessity for a healthy mind.
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Well the holiday i was on was mostly for the fact of visiting the city i plan to move to so i can study and get my diploma...i needed to learn the layout of the city and how to get around it etc.

I counted it as a holiday but i didn't go just to have fun also the point being nothing matters unless you can live 400 years so i would rather just spend most of my time playing games and watching anime then doing something "constructive" since the "Constructive" part is just as much of a waste.

Though i try my best to mix some optomism in an force myself to study and work towards my goal even though i think it's pointless and i'm wasting my time which would be better spent doing something that requires no effort and produces nothing.

Heck as much as i want to live to 400 i can't even just study 24/7 i wish i could but my mental health would quickly take a giant hit and i would become unable to work at all

No matter how dedicated you are to something or want something free time to lay back is a necessity for a healthy mind.


Why would your time be better spent doing something that requires no effort? To me it seems you earlier implied that you don't care about happiness or about being in pain? Still you want to do things that require no effort (effort = pain). If you really don't care about being in pain and being unhappy and you really believe it's possible to live 400 years, why not study instead? What difference does it make? At least with studying you have a chance of getting to your goal while the stuff that produces nothing seems to be just meaningless to you.

Anyway, you really answered why people opt to "enjoy the time they have" with this post. As you seem to acknowledge that you're not a Superman(therefore incapable of studying 24/7), is it so hard to understand why people would acknowledge that they're just human and probably can't live that long?

The last line I emphasized is you telling me, that you want a type of happiness(ie. a healthy mind). You're not as different from other people as you might want to be. Just using different words for the same thing really. You do care about your own well-being because if you didn't, you wouldn't take free time or care about the state of your mental health.

Just read what you wrote and think about what you really feel. Would it not be better to work towards that goal of yours while accepting that it's possible you may not succeed, still taking care of yourself(because you do care) and having a balance of being obsessed with that long term fact and what you're doing every day?

Think about this: is it really true that having a happy short life is worse than having an unhappy short life? If it ends up that you can't live for 400 years would it still not be better to spend that 100 years or so happily?

Okay, I'm rambling here a bit but really think for a moment and I'll be off.
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I was going to initially going to start of my response with "depends on what you mean by 'short'", but 80 years? Hell, forget 80 happy years, I doubt that I'd make it to 80 years no matter how miserable
But to answer your question; I do think a happy life is more important. Existing for the sake of it is meaningless.
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In human terms 80 is not young as I said but in the terms of the world around us humans die really early before we can do everything we want to.

Heck I'm not even sure a society of humans that only lives for 80 years each could survive space travel and other advancements in the future but that's s different topic

Though you say life will get tougher for me well if life is going to get tougher then being right on the edge of death and suffering pain most people I have met can't imagine then I can only say ....this will make for one interesting ride hahaha


Pointless though to even think about humans living longer because we cant.

Hey it aint all bad mate. I mean you haven't even really begun life yet as far as being an adult and being out in the real world and being old enough to do alot of things (if you're American that is). But life gets tougher as far as life being full or responsibilities and costs/expenses and ageing. You feel less energetic unless you really work to be very fit and healthy. Life costs alot.
The longer you live the more you will experience mistrust and betrayal and heat ache, people you know dying, health problems, stress, finacial problems, responsibility, etc.
Hobbies becoming less fun or you out gorw them or a told that you should, have less time for them, etc.
But i mean your life style and tastes will change as well.


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