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Post Reply New Orleans is taking down Confederate monuments
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Posted 4/24/17
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-orleans-starts-taking-down-confederate-monuments-sparking-vigils-n750036

This has been in the works for over a year, but I wasn't sure it would actually happen after all the delays.
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I am not sure. I need to know the specific history of those monuments. Some say what the raiders did was terrible, but I am not sure, it would depend on the civilian casualties and how many were unnecessary. There were strategic appeals to the method of destroying the southern economy and supply lines to make it harder for the South to sustain itself, both as an independent country, a warpower, etc. It was akin to basic terrorism in a way, to lower morality.

The irony, or rather hypocrisy, is the hard handed approach many would take to slave traders and owners today, via comments such as "Torture them to death", "give them the chair, etc".

Most people in the Confederacy at the time did support slavery, and a different time does not make excuses.

I am not sure. What Nat Turner and John Brown did in their two rebellions are empathetic today, but still amounts to our definition of terrorism.

The question is, "Was Tcumseh William Sherman justified in his methods, despite fighting for the union?" This ties into a moral consistency, so to speak.

I do think we should keep those Robert E. Lee statues up, but I think another purpose is one of either education or celebration/fond remembrance.
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Posted 4/24/17 , edited 5/25/17
Are we really so afraid of our history as to try to wipe it clean? First the banning of the confederate flag, now tearing down civil war statues?

Well, if we are going to at least get rid of all civil war traces, we should at least do the proper thing and take high quality photos for archiving. Though I would prefer a reconstruction in a museum of sort detailing the statues history and such. Still doesn't mean I like people destroying pieces of history.
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Posted 4/24/17 , edited 5/16/17

PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I am not sure. I need to know the specific history of those monuments.


Well, Google-Fu tells me that the first monument for the White League is quite literal. They were a white supremacist paramilitary / terrorist group. So, not exactly a proud heritage to be revering with a monument. That aside, the fact that the guys taking them down have to wear body armour and work in the dead of night seems to demonstrate they're not exactly inspiring an enlightened reflection on history.






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Posted 4/24/17 , edited 4/24/17

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Are we really so afraid of our history as to try to wipe it clean? First the banning of the confederate flag, now tearing down civil war statues?

Well, if we are going to at least get rid of all civil war traces, we should at least do the proper thing and take high quality photos for archiving. Though I would prefer a reconstruction in a museum of sort detailing the statues history and such. Still doesn't mean I like people destroying pieces of history.


I am not entirely sure, but things like the commemoration of battlefield losses should definitely stay, whereas this specific monument seems to have taken place post reconstruction as a sort of terrorist group, one of many that gave way to the Ku Klux Klan.

I do not know about the other statues in particular though, but I certainly would not blame people for taking down generic KKK statues to an extent.

Although I do like your museum idea.

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Trying to hide history always turns out well.
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As others have eluded to, in most other cases I'd also be against destroying pieces or representations of factual history.

That being said, considering that a monument's main purpose is to honor an event in history, I think I'm willing to concede to the idea in this case.
Posted 4/24/17 , edited 5/11/17

Reminds me of this.
Are they going to take down the statue of Mandela in Washington? Dude was a terrorist who encouraged necklacing.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


Reminds me of this.
Are they going to take down the statue of Mandela in Washington? Dude was a terrorist who encouraged necklacing.


Comparing taking down statues celebrating white supremacists and leaders of the biggest rebellion in American history (over slavery no less) with a terrorist organization defacing some of the last vestiges of ancient civilizations, and also with a statue commemorating one of the most prominent leaders in the anti-apartheid movement.

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Reminds me of this.
Are they going to take down the statue of Mandela in Washington? Dude was a terrorist who encouraged necklacing.


Sources for that?
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Posted 4/24/17 , edited 5/16/17

Lance_Clemings wrote:

Are we really so afraid of our history as to try to wipe it clean? First the banning of the confederate flag, now tearing down civil war statues?

Well, if we are going to at least get rid of all civil war traces, we should at least do the proper thing and take high quality photos for archiving. Though I would prefer a reconstruction in a museum of sort detailing the statues history and such. Still doesn't mean I like people destroying pieces of history.


Personally my view on the Confederate flag is the same as the Third Reich stuff. It shouldn't be hanging up anywhere but Idk put it in a Museum. Don't destroy history, no matter how much you hate something.
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qwueri wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


Reminds me of this.
Are they going to take down the statue of Mandela in Washington? Dude was a terrorist who encouraged necklacing.


Comparing taking down statues celebrating white supremacists and leaders of the biggest rebellion in American history (over slavery no less) with a terrorist organization defacing some of the last vestiges of ancient civilizations, and also with a statue commemorating one of the most prominent leaders in the anti-apartheid movement.



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Posted 4/24/17 , edited 5/16/17
They aren't even going to stick those things in Civil War museums and whatnot, I bet. Disgraceful. So much for being able to tour historical landmarks and monuments. I hope the realize that those monuments were tourist attractions. So much for New Orleans' tourist industry.
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Posted 4/24/17 , edited 4/26/17
They're just promoting both race & class conflict by pushing events like these rather than leaving statues alone as historical curios.
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qwueri wrote:

Comparing taking down statues celebrating white supremacists and leaders of the biggest rebellion in American history (over slavery no less) with a terrorist organization defacing some of the last vestiges of ancient civilizations, and also with a statue commemorating one of the most prominent leaders in the anti-apartheid movement.


Both are destroying and denying history.
I'm sure Mandela's victims would love to hear about how he was a hero for bombing random people and encouraging necklacing, the practice of wrapping a rubber tire doused in gasoline around a victim's torso before setting it on fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe#Bombings

Tear down American history and build a statue to a terrorist in Washington.


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