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Apple CEO wins freedom of speech award, but routinely censors users and service providers in Taiwan and in Hong Kong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZvOkx2iUYY

It's a complicated issue, really.... Yet.... There you have it. It's no wonder, companies like Google, take their censorship activities in China to the nth degree, by bringing such censorship to the Western world, by demonetizing Youtube channels.
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Oh! The lack of understanding of freedom of speech!
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I am not entirely sure what Apple does in all honesty concerning censorship. Google gets under my skin though, however legally obliged they are.
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So, you're blaming Apple for China's state censorship laws, blaming Cook for not breaking those laws in his company's largest market, then somehow connected that back to Youtube advertisers not wanting their ads to run on certain content?

Please stop taking your opinions from random Youtube channels.

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Wait, the first amendment to the United States constitution DOESN'T apply to other countries? Huh.
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Oh! The lack of understanding of freedom of speech.


wtf I hate human rights now
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octorockandroll wrote:

Oh! The lack of understanding of freedom of speech.


wtf I hate human rights now


Seemed to me like you always hated human rights, but okay.
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Not a surprise, considering China is a communist country.
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Who gave him the award?
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Roboteki wrote:

Who gave him the award?


If you watch the video, you'll find that it's a group that Apple is a key member of, and it coincidentally gave him the award shortly after Apple donated 2 million dollars to them.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not entirely sure what Apple does in all honesty concerning censorship. Google gets under my skin though, however legally obliged they are.


The Chinese government has made it illegal for the apps to be distributed in MAINLAND China, but it's perfectly legal in TAIWAN and HONG KONG. Apple didn't need to ban the apps in those provinces. The Chinese government wasn't requiring them to do it. Apple did it on their own.

You should see the video, because they made these big speeches about how strong Apple's commitment to the freedom of speech around the world was....


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Not a surprise, considering China is a communist country.


The Chinese government is a communist repressive and oppressive regime, and that's how they govern Mainland China, but Taiwan and Hong Kong are both provinces with democratically elected governments. With democratic laws and the like - even though they are Chinese territory.
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Huh. Forgot that part about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Then yeah, that is VERY strange.
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Still curious why people think an amendment to the constitution barring the government from preventing free speech has anything to do with a private company 0_o
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In some ways I'm cool with Apple their "privacy over all" and support of the Republican Party are pluses. All that shit with Foxconn and poor working conditions I'm not cool with.
Posted 4/24/17 , edited 4/25/17

DeadlyOats wrote:


Roboteki wrote:

Who gave him the award?


If you watch the video, you'll find that it's a group that Apple is a key member of, and it coincidentally gave him the award shortly after Apple donated 2 million dollars to them.


Happens all the time, they pretty much bought the award, so it's pretty empty.

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The Chinese government has made it illegal for the apps to be distributed in MAINLAND China, but it's perfectly legal in TAIWAN and HONG KONG. Apple didn't need to ban the apps in those provinces. The Chinese government wasn't requiring them to do it. Apple did it on their own.


First off, the main issue here is that it's a media app that is being censored, for a "freelance news show". Hong Kong has been drastically declining in free speech over the last decade. Hong Kong and Taiwan falls under China's "one country, two systems" policy. This means that China's Council of Foreign Relations can crack down on organizations that criticize China in these two locations (to a degree). For large companies like Apple, this would be pressing against their "smooth" approach with Chinese territories.

China has recently told Apple that they need to be more diligent in making sure that they check applications that are available in the store (Source). This means that they're concerned about the "free market" of the app store with such liberties as media that is heavily censored in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. In order for Apple to play in these areas, they have to respect the wishes of the Chinese government.


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You should see the video because they made these big speeches about how strong Apple's commitment to the freedom of speech around the world was....


Apple's commitment has basically been "let's make sure that the government doesn't have access to your devices", despite there being leaks of the contrary over the course of the last 5-6 years. I understand where they're coming from and why people view them as one of the most open-minded when it comes to free speech (other than hate speech); however, the main attraction was that they fought off the FBI when queried to help them crack an iPhone. That really is the only reason why they've received so much focus in the realm of free speech.


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The Chinese government is a communist repressive and oppressive regime, and that's how they govern Mainland China, but Taiwan and Hong Kong are both provinces with democratically elected governments. With democratic laws and the like - even though they are Chinese territory.


The bolded part is the most important aspect here. Apple needs to play nice with the Chinese government or else they can easily be shut down. As I linked above, the Chinese government is already throwing Apple into hot water for their App Store (how little they censor things in their territories). Apple is simply abiding by the rules and regulations of China. Taiwan and Hong Kong may have their democratically elected governments but China sees them as their territories and their little "democratic government" means nothing in the eyes of China.
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