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ninjitsuko wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:
The Chinese government has made it illegal for the apps to be distributed in MAINLAND China, but it's perfectly legal in TAIWAN and HONG KONG. Apple didn't need to ban the apps in those provinces. The Chinese government wasn't requiring them to do it. Apple did it on their own.


First off, the main issue here is that it's a media app that is being censored, for a "freelance news show". Hong Kong has been drastically declining in free speech over the last decade. Hong Kong and Taiwan falls under China's "one country, two systems" policy. This means that China's Council of Foreign Relations can crack down on organizations that criticize China in these two locations (to a degree). For large companies like Apple, this would be pressing against their "smooth" approach with Chinese territories.

China has recently told Apple that they need to be more diligent in making sure that they check applications that are available in the store (Source). This means that they're concerned about the "free market" of the app store with such liberties as media that is heavily censored in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. In order for Apple to play in these areas, they have to respect the wishes of the Chinese government.


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You should see the video because they made these big speeches about how strong Apple's commitment to the freedom of speech around the world was....


Apple's commitment has basically been "let's make sure that the government doesn't have access to your devices", despite there being leaks of the contrary over the course of the last 5-6 years. I understand where they're coming from and why people view them as one of the most open-minded when it comes to free speech (other than hate speech); however, the main attraction was that they fought off the FBI when queried to help them crack an iPhone. That really is the only reason why they've received so much focus in the realm of free speech.


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The Chinese government is a communist repressive and oppressive regime, and that's how they govern Mainland China, but Taiwan and Hong Kong are both provinces with democratically elected governments. With democratic laws and the like - even though they are Chinese territory.


The bolded part is the most important aspect here. Apple needs to play nice with the Chinese government or else they can easily be shut down. As I linked above, the Chinese government is already throwing Apple into hot water for their App Store (how little they censor things in their territories). Apple is simply abiding by the rules and regulations of China. Taiwan and Hong Kong may have their democratically elected governments but China sees them as their territories and their little "democratic government" means nothing in the eyes of China.


Thanks for this explanation, ninjitsuko. You've really put things into perspective for me . :)
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heartlesspocki wrote:


ninjitsuko wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:
The Chinese government has made it illegal for the apps to be distributed in MAINLAND China, but it's perfectly legal in TAIWAN and HONG KONG. Apple didn't need to ban the apps in those provinces. The Chinese government wasn't requiring them to do it. Apple did it on their own.


First off, the main issue here is that it's a media app that is being censored, for a "freelance news show". Hong Kong has been drastically declining in free speech over the last decade. Hong Kong and Taiwan falls under China's "one country, two systems" policy. This means that China's Council of Foreign Relations can crack down on organizations that criticize China in these two locations (to a degree). For large companies like Apple, this would be pressing against their "smooth" approach with Chinese territories.

China has recently told Apple that they need to be more diligent in making sure that they check applications that are available in the store (Source). This means that they're concerned about the "free market" of the app store with such liberties as media that is heavily censored in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. In order for Apple to play in these areas, they have to respect the wishes of the Chinese government.


DeadlyOats wrote:
You should see the video because they made these big speeches about how strong Apple's commitment to the freedom of speech around the world was....


Apple's commitment has basically been "let's make sure that the government doesn't have access to your devices", despite there being leaks of the contrary over the course of the last 5-6 years. I understand where they're coming from and why people view them as one of the most open-minded when it comes to free speech (other than hate speech); however, the main attraction was that they fought off the FBI when queried to help them crack an iPhone. That really is the only reason why they've received so much focus in the realm of free speech.


DeadlyOats wrote:
The Chinese government is a communist repressive and oppressive regime, and that's how they govern Mainland China, but Taiwan and Hong Kong are both provinces with democratically elected governments. With democratic laws and the like - even though they are Chinese territory.


The bolded part is the most important aspect here. Apple needs to play nice with the Chinese government or else they can easily be shut down. As I linked above, the Chinese government is already throwing Apple into hot water for their App Store (how little they censor things in their territories). Apple is simply abiding by the rules and regulations of China. Taiwan and Hong Kong may have their democratically elected governments but China sees them as their territories and their little "democratic government" means nothing in the eyes of China.


Thanks for this explanation, ninjitsuko. You've really put things into perspective for me . :)


If you had watched the video, you would have learned everything that ninjisuko posted above, and more. That was all covered in the report. Apple was not threatened over it in Hong Kong and Taiwan. just in Mainland China. Apple did what is called "Self Censoring" in Hong Kong and Taiwan. This was also discussed in the video.

The point of this thread is that Apple wasn't required to do it, but that they did, and still won the award for freedom of speech.

You could have gotten all of that perspective by watching the video.
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