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child abuse offensive to some
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JohnDreher wrote:
I mainly would like a content warning in the description of the show. From the first episodes I felt uneasy with the premise, but was taken aback by the very explicit scene in ep.3, which was too brutally graphic, IMO, for any anime site other than a so-called hentai site. I have no objection to anyone watching whatever pleases them, but prior information is helpful. For example, on hentai sites I try to avoid material that includes sexual violence -- I'm much more likely to view "vanilla" porn when in the mood for sexual content. But that's just me -- I've noticed that many of the shows on such sites that are listed as popular are repellent to my sensibilities, so I avoid them. I don't mind that others have different tastes, even though I find it hard to imagine how anyone could enjoy shows that treat women as objects.



Frankly, CR can't put a warning label on everything that would offend someones sensibilities, because they would have to put a warning label on everything. There is always something in every story that offends someones sensibilities, yours aren't special. Also, if ep 3 offended you, then I wouldn't suggest watching ep 4. Also, you may want to stay away from Black Bullet.
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TheAncientOne wrote:


JohnDreher wrote:

IMO CR should not even carry material like this.

So I and others should be denied the right to view something because you find it upsetting?

I wonder how little anime CR would have every season if each person were allowed to enforce their opinion.




heartlesspocki wrote:

If these forms are more and more popularized, then the people would possibly unconsciously absorb it and thus be put in some sort of "societal trance"... It's good not to romanticize child abuse, pedophilia, and incest and such...

While I haven't seen the series in question (I wait to view series once they are finished), I have seen clips of the scene in question. I very much doubt it was in any way "romanticized".

To be clear:

Romanticize: Deal with or describe in an idealized or unrealistic fashion; make (something) seem better or more appealing than it really is.



I suppose the right term would be "stereotyped", or "stigmatized"?
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This is where using a USA TV rating on a series page could come in handy.
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All I got to say is never watch Law and Order: SVU.

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It is anime.

1. Lots of groping, last I checked that was called sexual harassment and usually entailed criminal charges

2. Shower scenes galore, weird how the majority of anime has steam clouds / hair / light beams hiding the girls naughty bits conveniently. Oh, and did you ever notice that most are usually 12-14 if not less then 11 and the eldest sister is 15/16? That kind of thing in real life usually entails criminal time in the pen or solitary confinement as other inmates will probably kill you.

3. Panty shots, see number 1 if it is accidental. Of course it is always over used for comedic effect when a slap follows it.

4. Gun shots with flying blood. Real life.

5. Edged weapons with blood. Real life.

6. Zombies chewing on living people. Not real, but gruesome none the less.

7. Innocent bystanders are usually killed to move the plot, sometimes the main villain uses his minions/hostages like chewing gum.

8. Attempted rape, have you seen Ep 3 of Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor yet? It was the intent, not the act though mild.

You must not of scene a lot of anime or like to pick and choose what offends you. Sure, it can be gruesome but it is there to give the sense of emotion. So long as it doesn't push the envelope, it is fine.
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kadmos1 wrote:

This is where using a USA TV rating on a series page could come in handy.


Problem there is that CR is an international site, so one nation's system of ratings is not the same as another.

I suppose an alternative might be a CR specific system of iconography to identify specific things

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what about animes making it seem alright for men to get kicked on the their nuts by girls. I'll slap a bitche's head off if they think that would fly with me.
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so you think CR shouldn't carry shows like this because you couldn't handle it. really? please.
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kadmos1 wrote:

This is where using a USA TV rating on a series page could come in handy.


Myanimelist has a PG-13 rating for the show, Seinen is also listed in the genres section.


“Seinen” (青年), on the other hand, refers to young men between the ages of 15-24. Seinen anime and manga tend to be of a more violent and/or psychological nature than shonen series—though, of course, there are seinen comedies as well. They can also have content of a pornographic nature (though this is not the focus of the work). Famous seinen anime and manga include such titles such as Berserk, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Hellsing, and Gantz.

https://kotaku.com/how-to-identify-the-basic-types-of-anime-and-manga-1538285518


The seinen tag is usually a good indicator of what to expect from a show, then again anime is usually edgy even the mildest ones can contain some controversial elements.


Posted 4/25/17 , edited 4/25/17
Thanks for saying this. I won't be watching it.
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considering what happen to the kids in Fate Zero and Higurashi this show is pretty tame
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It is anime.

> I would never have guessed that, since I am incredibly obtuse. Oh, and my MAL profile shows I've watched over 165 days of anime.

1. Lots of groping, last I checked that was called sexual harassment and usually entailed criminal charges

> Writing about sexual offenses is perfectly legal in the US as far as I know. I find the groping in certain styles of anime more silly than offensive -- it just reflects the natural interest and inexperience with sex that accompanies adolescence.

2. Shower scenes galore, weird how the majority of anime has steam clouds / hair / light beams hiding the girls naughty bits conveniently.
> if that irritates you, the DVD releases often have some of this kind of censoring removed.

Oh, and did you ever notice that most are usually 12-14 if not less then 11 and the eldest sister is 15/16? That kind of thing in real life usually entails criminal time in the pen or solitary confinement as other inmates will probably kill you.
> see previous remark. It's been more than 50 years since I was a teenaged boy, but I can remember what it feels like, so I understand why there is a demographic for this kind of stuff. Adolescent sex fantasies are normal and harmless, IMO. As for the ages, I believe Japanese censorship laws require at least the pretense that the girls are at at least 13, but I'm not an expert in such legal matters. Of course interest in sex often occurs at ages well below 13 in cultures such as mine that have well-nourished children and relatively permissive attitudes toward sex (at the present time -- not so much when I was in elementary school).

3. Panty shots, see number 1 if it is accidental. Of course it is always over used for comedic effect when a slap follows it.
> having experienced a fair amount of actual sex, I can't muster much shock or amusement over panty shots and the like.

4. Gun shots with flying blood. Real life.
> I can usually tell if an anime series is going to "realistically" depict the effects of serious trauma, e.g. bullet wounds. Very, very few actually depict what one might see in an ER, since making your audience throw up isn't a great marketing tool. For personal reasons, for the last decade I have tended to avoid anything where the violence is too intense, not only for anime but for all media.

5. Edged weapons with blood. Real life.
> see previous.

6. Zombies chewing on living people. Not real, but gruesome none the less.
> well it's very obviously unreal, so I do not find it shocking, just distasteful. I don't watch stuff I don't like, since I'm not a professional reviewer.

7. Innocent bystanders are usually killed to move the plot, sometimes the main villain uses his minions/hostages like chewing gum.
> That is true. If depicted at all realistically I'll usually watch something else. Of course it depends on the overall quality of the anime, for example "The Ghost in the Shell" is one of my favorites despite depicting a fair amount of violence, sometimes in a somewhat realistic manner, but to me the violence in this anime is not gratuitous but integral to the overall theme.

8. Attempted rape, have you seen Ep 3 of Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor yet? It was the intent, not the act though mild.

> I have indeed viewed that scene. While I found it in poor taste, it was not realistic enough to be shocking. If the scene had shown real fear in the victim and convincing intention of a brutal assault in the supposed rapist, I might Have reacted the same way I did for A&Z. It's not really my business, but I wonder if you have ever seen or experienced serious violence, extreme fear, or intense pain. They certainly did not amuse me.

You must not of scene a lot of anime or like to pick and choose what offends you. Sure, it can be gruesome but it is there to give the sense of emotion. So long as it doesn't push the envelope, it is fine.


Well as I noted above, I've seen a LOT of anime. Anyone who does not pick and choose what they want to see will drown in the flood of new productions and the immense stock of older productions. And who cares what offends me other than myself? I merely object to having a seriously disturbing (to me) scene appear with no warning. While I can, and do, stop watching, it leaves a nasty feeling in my mind. I rarely write comments or reviews -- if A&Z had not pushed way beyond the envelope IMO, I would merely have stopped watching it and kept my opinion in the the relevant sections of my MAL anime list where it would effectively be invisible, since I would be quite surprised if anyone other than myself ever looks at this list.

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I think anime should not stray from depicting disturbing material. Just because we do not like it, does not mean a similar situation does not exist. It is one think to dislike the moral portrayal, but another to dislike any show of the act. The real world does not act this way.

I think a rating system would be more than appreciated, however. Never know when someone might watch School Live! under the basis that it is a cute girls doing cute things show.

It is not
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Read the article "Reactive attachment disorder" on Wikipedia for an idea of how being treated as a non-person in infancy effects children. Very serious personality disorders are common and usually cannot be "fixed" by providing a normal family life later on. Believe me, I have had first hand experience with a relatively mild case of RAD, and despite behavioral therapy and psychiatric support the effects never went away, although my wife and I became better equipped to deal with the symptoms.
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I'm sitting over here having watched Future Diary and I'm like "Huh. That's cute".

Actually though, I don't completely disagree with the idea of a warning beforehand. I don't really find it necessary, but a little "viewer digression advised" 3 second clip beforehand wouldn't hurt. For a good example, look at what Hulu does.

I do think that restricting what people can watch based on things similar to those mentioned above would be a terrible decision. One of the things I love about anime is the variety in the shows. I could watch a light humor or a dark, phycological thriller. Restricting anime based on what subjects the anime covers would only hurt the anime community in general and hurt streamers like Crunchyroll along with limiting what is available to people legally, encouraging illegal streaming and just ruining anime (at least for me). Just because some people don't like a show being on Crunchyroll does not mean that it should not be on Crunchyroll.
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