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Read the article "Reactive attachment disorder" on Wikipedia for an idea of how being treated as a non-person in infancy effects children. Very serious personality disorders are common and usually cannot be "fixed" by providing a normal family life later on. Believe me, I have had first hand experience with a relatively mild case of RAD, and despite behavioral therapy and psychiatric support the effects never went away, although my wife and I became better equipped to deal with the symptoms.


Well, if we are talking the effect of disturbing media on children that young, it is sort of a mixed bag. They do not have a real idea of what is happening on the screen, with the effected that any fear they show is induced by loud noises, or by the emotions of any adults watching.

Not entirely sure why you would mention that. Does it have anything to do with disturbing media on children depicting said acts? I do not think anyone is contesting child abuse, human experimentation, and such is wrong.

I disagree with the hate towards the rating system. I think it would be useful.
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"The real world does not act this way"

More true than you are likely to understand fully at your age. I am much too familiar with how nasty the real world can be, that's why I watch stuff like anime. I could watch the real world from the news if I wanted to, but having seen the same atrocities repeat over and over and over (I am 70), I've lost all interest seeing more of the same and have stopped looking at most news except for science and technology.
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JohnDreher wrote:

"The real world does not act this way"

More true than you are likely to understand fully at your age. I am much too familiar with how nasty the real world can be, that's why I watch stuff like anime. I could watch the real world from the news if I wanted to, but having seen the same atrocities repeat over and over and over (I am 70), I've lost all interest seeing more of the same and have stopped looking at most news except for science and technology.


I cannot admit to being a consummate witness of suffering as someone of your age, I admit. I did not mean to offend you, and I am sorry if I did. I feel that banning depictions of disturbing content on a major streaming site like Crunchyroll would do a major injustice to people as a whole is what I am trying to say. I think societal value could be gained, but more often than not, it is just bloody smut.

In any case, I do agree with the basis of a rating system, a warning, etc. People should know what they are getting into, and be free to seek it out of their own volition.

I mean, look at this show.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/school-live

School Live is disturbing to contrast with the happy imagery, and I understand with the need to know what is one getting into, to sift from the perverted moe of Miss Kobayashi to the actual children's animation of Folktales, and to less graphic content.
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Maybe ive become immune due to watching alot of anime thru the years but i really didnt find it all that horrible if anything i think the wetting her pants from fear maybe was a bit far but still nothing compared to other animes this was rather tame if we took out every anime or show cause it offended 1 person we would never get to watch anything at all
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CrazyRevy wrote:

Maybe ive become immune due to watching alot of anime thru the years but i really didnt find it all that horrible if anything i think the wetting her pants from fear maybe was a bit far but still nothing compared to other animes this was rather tame if we took out every anime or show cause it offended 1 person we would never get to watch anything at all


Not surprised some of us are insensitive towards violent content, i find the scene in question tame compared to other shows like "Violence jack - Evil town".

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I don't really understand why offense is taken. The scene was disturbing, and I empathized with the victim, but I didn't feel like I was targeted by the creators with any malicious intent.
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JohnDreher wrote:

"The real world does not act this way"

More true than you are likely to understand fully at your age. I am much too familiar with how nasty the real world can be, that's why I watch stuff like anime. I could watch the real world from the news if I wanted to, but having seen the same atrocities repeat over and over and over (I am 70), I've lost all interest seeing more of the same and have stopped looking at most news except for science and technology.


I do agree the scene is meant to be uncomfortable but part of the reason forthis is the follow up in episode 4 when Zoroku comes to her rescue. These people do not see Sana as a little girl, indeed they state flat out they see her as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Minnie C is willing to use what ever means she has to force Sana to obey, even killing Zoroku.

That is what makes the old man's response so much more powerful I feel. He cannot help but see a little girl who is suffering, regardless of all the things he has been told about her.

None of those matter because the truth is right there in front of his eyes.

What happens to Sana is meant to be viewed negatively, we are supposed to get angry over it and it is meant to upset us. Zoroku's response then gives us hope. With him she will have hope, she will be happy and she will be safe. (and if people's hunches about that one scene are correct she'll grow up to be a fine person herself)



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Stopping others from viewing violent content is not the answer to you yourself disliking that content.

Now, it IS true that there are many types of violence depicted on TV and the internet and in books ect. The reason why is simply human morbid curiosity. We can't really stop people from feeling that way - just the same as we can't stop them from thinking something is cute or cool. Being attracted to types of violence is natural, and everyone has a level of their own (the impulse to hug something cute is actually a violent reaction, for example). That's why these things exist: some individual wanted them to simply be.

There's nothing wrong with wanting content to be censored if it is beyond your needs, but others have their own itches to scratch and keeping them from that selfsame content isn't a proper solution. It won't inherently make them violent, just as I said hugging does not make you think it's ok to choke someone to death. We all have a threshold, but starving it in any way will only make it even more desirable because those voices will decide they need to be heard.
'Kill them with kindness' so to speak in a way.
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a CR rating system would be nice. then we might be able to get more uncenosred anime.
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^ that's about the only positive I saw in this thread
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Greylurker wrote:


JohnDreher wrote:

"The real world does not act this way"

More true than you are likely to understand fully at your age. I am much too familiar with how nasty the real world can be, that's why I watch stuff like anime. I could watch the real world from the news if I wanted to, but having seen the same atrocities repeat over and over and over (I am 70), I've lost all interest seeing more of the same and have stopped looking at most news except for science and technology.


I do agree the scene is meant to be uncomfortable but part of the reason forthis is the follow up in episode 4 when Zoroku comes to her rescue. These people do not see Sana as a little girl, indeed they state flat out they see her as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Minnie C is willing to use what ever means she has to force Sana to obey, even killing Zoroku.

That is what makes the old man's response so much more powerful I feel. He cannot help but see a little girl who is suffering, regardless of all the things he has been told about her.

None of those matter because the truth is right there in front of his eyes.

What happens to Sana is meant to be viewed negatively, we are supposed to get angry over it and it is meant to upset us. Zoroku's response then gives us hope. With him she will have hope, she will be happy and she will be safe. (and if people's hunches about that one scene are correct she'll grow up to be a fine person herself)





I agree with that view. It did not appear to be fetishized at all, but to communicate a character's ordeal for the sake of developing its story as well as the characters. I felt Zoroku's reaction and response was heartwarming.

I do not have a problem with disturbing material unless it is horrendously gratuitous or is washed over to appear less harmful than it is. (Some say that the tsundere abuse is abuse, but slapstick is itself considered to be a cross cultural and all ages humor routine.)
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nemoskull wrote:

a CR rating system would be nice. then we might be able to get more uncenosred anime.

CR not having more uncensored anime has more to do with how the licensing works than any move to "protect" the audience.

An example:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/yosuga-no-sora-in-solitude-where-we-are-least-alone

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Does Japan have some sort of rating system? Because otherwise I don't quite know how you could expect CR to get a full heads up on content that's being aired in Japan.
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Can't possibly be worse than the Higurashi deaths, the nazi vampire eating a baby in Hellsing, or what happened to some kids in Fate/Zero
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