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please bring back rock n roll
do you believe rock n roll can save your soul?
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karatecowboy wrote:

It's updated annually. Not 20 years outdated.

Here's the ICD-11 classification:
Gender Incongruence of Adolescence and Adulthood is characterized by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual´s experienced gender and the assigned sex, which often leads to a desire to ‘transition’, in order to live and be accepted as a person of the experienced gender, through hormonal treatment, surgery or other health care services to make the individual´s body align, as much as desired and to the extent possible, with the experienced gender.
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd11/browse/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f90875286

Now please STFU already with the quack-job, toxic, plainly evil BS


I like how none of what you quoted refutes a thing I said yet you still act all condecsebding.

Stay classy.


I don't think you understand the issue enough to know if what I posted refutes anything. But sorry if I was condecsebding. It's like a condecseb. With a ding

Personally, I like how nothing you posted refutes my original point that "trans" is a mental disorder.
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octorockandroll wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:

It's updated annually. Not 20 years outdated.

Here's the ICD-11 classification:
Gender Incongruence of Adolescence and Adulthood is characterized by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual´s experienced gender and the assigned sex, which often leads to a desire to ‘transition’, in order to live and be accepted as a person of the experienced gender, through hormonal treatment, surgery or other health care services to make the individual´s body align, as much as desired and to the extent possible, with the experienced gender.
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd11/browse/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f90875286

Now please STFU already with the quack-job, toxic, plainly evil BS


I like how none of what you quoted refutes a thing I said yet you still act all condecsebding.

Stay classy.


While I agree with Cowboy that you should have used a recent source, I agree with the notion that they are trying to classify gender dysphoria as a "Mental disorder" or "Mental Illness" without mentioning their proposed treatment. My conclusion is that they are avoiding the topic of treatment for semantics of its category as a mental illness or not. Or they are implying that it should be "treated" like any other mental ailment.

What we should be focusing on is the evidence behind sufficient treatments, if there are any.
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While I agree with Cowboy that you should have used a recent source, I agree with the notion that they are trying to classify gender dysphoria as a "Mental disorder" or "Mental Illness" without mentioning their proposed treatment. My conclusion is that they are avoiding the topic of treatment for semantics of its category as a mental illness or not. Or they are implying that it should be "treated" like any other mental ailment.

What we should be focusing on is the evidence behind sufficient treatments, if there are any.

FWIW, Most cases are handled with talk therapy.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:

It's updated annually. Not 20 years outdated.

Here's the ICD-11 classification:
Gender Incongruence of Adolescence and Adulthood is characterized by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual´s experienced gender and the assigned sex, which often leads to a desire to ‘transition’, in order to live and be accepted as a person of the experienced gender, through hormonal treatment, surgery or other health care services to make the individual´s body align, as much as desired and to the extent possible, with the experienced gender.
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd11/browse/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f90875286

Now please STFU already with the quack-job, toxic, plainly evil BS


I like how none of what you quoted refutes a thing I said yet you still act all condecsebding.

Stay classy.


While I agree with Cowboy that you should have used a recent source, I agree with the notion that they are trying to classify gender dysphoria as a "Mental disorder" or "Mental Illness" without mentioning their proposed treatment. My conclusion is that they are avoiding the topic of treatment for semantics of its category as a mental illness or not. Or they are implying that it should be "treated" like any other mental ailment.

What we should be focusing on is the evidence behind sufficient treatments, if there are any.


How did I not use a recent source? The source I used was even mroe recent than his, explaining how the WHO (along with most others) no longer classify transgenderism as a mental disorder, which is true. Being trans is not a disorder, gender and sex are different and gender exists on a fluid spectrum, these are just facts proven by science.
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karatecowboy wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


While I agree with Cowboy that you should have used a recent source, I agree with the notion that they are trying to classify gender dysphoria as a "Mental disorder" or "Mental Illness" without mentioning their proposed treatment. My conclusion is that they are avoiding the topic of treatment for semantics of its category as a mental illness or not. Or they are implying that it should be "treated" like any other mental ailment.

What we should be focusing on is the evidence behind sufficient treatments, if there are any.

FWIW, Most cases are handled with talk therapy.


therapists these days are SHITTTTT ,
im molested she says I brought it upon myself and putmyself out there - I was playing Mario party8??-
a few years later I go to another one to work on my ptsd, he starts going into getting a job and "ambitions" like literally the first thing I said I wanted to work on was my ptsd, I then said I want to get married be loved have kids
he never addressed the issue I WANTED to work on
he responds to that with " so, you want to live with your mom your whol life andnever do anything?"

I just said I want to get married which basically implies I would be moving out, and doing shit wit a husband


if this is the kinda shit ive gotten, and that's just 2 examples, with fuckin PTSD

I cant imagine the incompetence with other mental shit , for real man
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Posted 4/25/17

karatecowboy wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


While I agree with Cowboy that you should have used a recent source, I agree with the notion that they are trying to classify gender dysphoria as a "Mental disorder" or "Mental Illness" without mentioning their proposed treatment. My conclusion is that they are avoiding the topic of treatment for semantics of its category as a mental illness or not. Or they are implying that it should be "treated" like any other mental ailment.

What we should be focusing on is the evidence behind sufficient treatments, if there are any.

FWIW, Most cases are handled with talk therapy.


Talk therapy is always a good choice. Or if not the only basic choice. One has to consulted educated physicians and mental help experts in this field, to develop a plan or a more accurate diagnosis.

I am tired of the age of internet therapy.

In any case, the show is terrible cancer with more of shilling to the regressive liberals that lacks scientific merit, as well as cultural merit, I agree.
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Still saner then anything Ken Ham has ever done
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octorockandroll wrote:

How did I not use a recent source? The source I used was even mroe recent than his, explaining how the WHO (along with most others) no longer classify transgenderism as a mental disorder, which is true. Being trans is not a disorder, gender and sex are different and gender exists on a fluid spectrum, these are just facts proven by science.

howmany genders are there?
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octorockandroll wrote:

How did I not use a recent source? The source I used was even mroe recent than his, explaining how the WHO (along with most others) no longer classify transgenderism as a mental disorder, which is true. Being trans is not a disorder, gender and sex are different and gender exists on a fluid spectrum, these are just facts proven by science.


I only had a cursory glance at your material. I apologize.

However, trying to define the category of transgenderism is mostly useless in my opinion, and I feel a great deal of opponent try to reason it to be this or that without any real talks of treatment and the end goal of said treatment, because the evidence overwhelmingly points to the other direction. People like Paul Hughs of John Hopkins have long since been disproven.
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howmany genders are there?


So did you just not read my post or what?
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octorockandroll wrote:

How did I not use a recent source? The source I used was even mroe recent than his, explaining how the WHO (along with most others) no longer classify transgenderism as a mental disorder, which is true. Being trans is not a disorder, gender and sex are different and gender exists on a fluid spectrum, these are just facts proven by science.


Recent, sure. Pertinent? Not at all. GID/Gender dysphoria/transexualism/Gender incongruence is still a mental disorder.


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Still saner then anything Ken Ham has ever done


I beg to differ. We don't have dinosaurs evolving into birds right in front of us.

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That was certainly one of the most awkward songs about sex positivity I've ever seen.
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redokami wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


While I agree with Cowboy that you should have used a recent source, I agree with the notion that they are trying to classify gender dysphoria as a "Mental disorder" or "Mental Illness" without mentioning their proposed treatment. My conclusion is that they are avoiding the topic of treatment for semantics of its category as a mental illness or not. Or they are implying that it should be "treated" like any other mental ailment.

What we should be focusing on is the evidence behind sufficient treatments, if there are any.

FWIW, Most cases are handled with talk therapy.


therapists these days are SHITTTTT ,
im molested she says I brought it upon myself and putmyself out there - I was playing Mario party8??-
a few years later I go to another one to work on my ptsd, he starts going into getting a job and "ambitions" like literally the first thing I said I wanted to work on was my ptsd, I then said I want to get married be loved have kids
he never addressed the issue I WANTED to work on
he responds to that with " so, you want to live with your mom your whol life andnever do anything?"

I just said I want to get married which basically implies I would be moving out, and doing shit wit a husband


if this is the kinda shit ive gotten, and that's just 2 examples, with fuckin PTSD

I cant imagine the incompetence with other mental shit , for real man


That sounds .... really frustrating. Mario Party 8...is that what caused the PTSD? Try Dokapon Kingdom; that'll give you ptsd
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

How did I not use a recent source? The source I used was even mroe recent than his, explaining how the WHO (along with most others) no longer classify transgenderism as a mental disorder, which is true. Being trans is not a disorder, gender and sex are different and gender exists on a fluid spectrum, these are just facts proven by science.


I only had a cursory glance at your material. I apologize.

However, trying to define the category of transgenderism is mostly useless in my opinion, and I feel a great deal of opponent try to reason it to be this or that without any real talks of treatment and the end goal of said treatment, because the evidence overwhelmingly points to the other direction. People like Paul Hughs of John Hopkins have long since been disproven.


I mean I get where you're coming from but is that really a level of discussion of trans issues fit for a thread about mocking Bill Nye? All I did was point out how Nye was triggering transphobic people like karatecowboy by pointing out things like the University of Vienna's study proving the spectral nature of human gender using analysis of white matter microstructure, this has kind of gotten off topic.
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