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Republican legislators want to keep popular Obamacare provisions for themselves and their staff.

House Republicans appear to have included a provision that exempts Members of Congress and their staff from their latest health care plan.

The new Republican amendment, introduced Tuesday night, would allow states to waive out of Obamacare’s ban on pre-existing conditions. This means that insurers could once again, under certain circumstances, charge sick people higher premiums than healthy people.

Republican legislators liked this policy well enough to offer it in a new amendment. They do not, however, seem to like it enough to have it apply to themselves and their staff. A spokesperson for Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) who authored this amendment confirmed this was the case: members of Congress and their staff would get the guarantee of keeping this Obamacare regulations.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-exempt-their-own-insurance-from-their-latest-health-care-proposal/ar-BBAnqI1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
http://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15422478/gop-ahca-amendment
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-a790-d120-addb-f7dc0ec90000

I'm honestly not surprised that they're trying to do this
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Wait so poor people can't get any help if this Obamacare goes away?
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Did they really think they could get away from the terrible optics this presents?
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DarkBlade19 wrote:

Wait so poor people can't get any help if this Obamacare goes away?


Obamacare is an informal term for a federal law intended to improve access to health insurance for US citizens. The official name of the law is the Affordable Care Act. A lot of people will lose insurance coverage if it's repealed, which will mostly affect the poor.
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Seems the Democrat members in Congress are exempted too. Why didn't you address that issue also? Plenty of finger pointing to go around here re exemptions, not just on the pesky Republicans..........

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Wait so poor people can't get any help if this Obamacare goes away?


Medicaid and SS Disability. Neither are enough but both are free for the people that need it. If you are an able-bodied man or woman with no kids and no income you have bigger things to worry about than insurance. Namely finding your next meal.

The pre-existing condition laws under the ACA should remain.
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Seems the Democrat members in Congress are exempted too. Why didn't you address that issue also? Plenty of finger pointing to go around here re exemptions, not just on the pesky Republicans..........


I honestly did not notice that at first, but yeah all of Congress is exempt. From what I've read though, Democrats and some Republicans are against this.
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DarkBlade19 wrote:

Wait so poor people can't get any help if this Obamacare goes away?


Pretty much.


So congratulations Trump fans. You just killed us all probably, if North Korea or the environment or the many million things that Trump is getting rid of, don't do so first!
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I find it interesting how this is being presented.

Fundamentally, this allows a state which does not want a particular provision of the ACA to say "we will not have that provision in this state."

That seems like... freedom.

Meanwhile, Congress said "well, we want it."

Which, again... freedom.

If this provision is such a good thing, of course, then all fifty states will say "we want it, too."

But if some states disagree, they can say "not us!" because... freedom.

The entire objection to this seems to be "you can't give the states freedom, they might make the wrong choice."
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DarkBlade19 wrote:

Wait so poor people can't get any help if this Obamacare goes away?


Well, if a 12k deductible is considered helping

Wrong, it's actually federal law, signed by that supremely evil Ronald Reagan, that a person cannot be refused treatment for illness or injury. Well, unless you have someone like Michelle Obama to devise a "patient dumping" scheme like she did when she worked for that hospital before her husband was elected.

The ACA and the ACHA are about insurance not about care.

And speaking of the ACA, when it was passed, without a single Republican vote, the Democrats also exempted Congress from that bill as well.

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DarkBlade19 wrote:

Wait so poor people can't get any help if this Obamacare goes away?


Medicaid and SS Disability. Neither are enough but both are free for the people that need it. If you are an able-bodied man or woman with no kids and no income you have bigger things to worry about than insurance. Namely finding your next meal.

The pre-existing condition laws under the ACA should remain.


I can speak from experience on this
I am on disability with pre existingconditions, shit was born with, I get475 a month - that's after money from my check is deducted for my insurance- rent is 450 mind you, butonly becaue my apartment building is family owned, everywhere else its 600 and up, how they think that money is liveable idk, its why im with my mom tho
some fmy meds are 100 bucks, with insurance they are 10 or 5 bucks thank god,
I cant work and will nverwork
and even if I could do something, if I earned FUCKNG PENNNY I will lose my insurance AND THE MONEY, so yea it aint worth it I need myinsurence


fyi im considered 150 percent below poverty


this shit is gonna hurt me a lot I cant afford 100 bucks a doctor visit or more
or500 dollar fuckin x rays
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MysticGon wrote:


DarkBlade19 wrote:

Wait so poor people can't get any help if this Obamacare goes away?


Medicaid and SS Disability. Neither are enough but both are free for the people that need it. If you are an able-bodied man or woman with no kids and no income you have bigger things to worry about than insurance. Namely finding your next meal.

The pre-existing condition laws under the ACA should remain.


I can speak from experience on this
I am on disability with pre existingconditions, shit was born with, I get475 a month - that's after money from my check is deducted for my insurance- rent is 450 mind you, butonly becaue my apartment building is family owned, everywhere else its 600 and up, how they think that money is liveable idk, its why im with my mom tho
some fmy meds are 100 bucks, with insurance they are 10 or 5 bucks thank god,
I cant work and will nverwork
and even if I could do something, if I earned FUCKNG PENNNY I will lose my insurance AND THE MONEY, so yea it aint worth it I need myinsurence


fyi im considered 150 percent below poverty


this shit is gonna hurt me a lot I cant afford 100 bucks a doctor visit or more
or500 dollar fuckin x rays


Yeah I don't think something like this will pass because out of the popular provisions this one and staying on the parent's plan until you are 26 are popular ones. The individual mandate and tax penalties, not so much.
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I find it interesting how this is being presented.

Fundamentally, this allows a state which does not want a particular provision of the ACA to say "we will not have that provision in this state."

That seems like... freedom.

Meanwhile, Congress said "well, we want it."

Which, again... freedom.

If this provision is such a good thing, of course, then all fifty states will say "we want it, too."

But if some states disagree, they can say "not us!" because... freedom.

The entire objection to this seems to be "you can't give the states freedom, they might make the wrong choice."


The entire objection to this is that the job (or one of the jobs) of the federal government is to set the bar for how citizens are to be treated. This is the principle that the Constitution works on. By removing the federal provisions behind health care, you allow states to remove these provisions, which means that the people aren't being protected by the federal government.

The logic here is no different than the logic of the Constitution. Unless you think we should repeal the Constitution for freedom's sake, your argument is empty.
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Aren't most politicians millionaires?
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The entire objection to this is that the job (or one of the jobs) of the federal government is to set the bar for how citizens are to be treated.


And I don't see why "let them choose at the state level" is an unacceptable bar. If you want this provision, go live in a state that keeps it. If you don't, go live in a state that doesn't. If you think that's unfair, certainly it would be even MORE unfair to make you move to another country, right?

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