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Nice brother, if you have nothing intelligent to say. Just call them a cuck.


It has been the leftists who have been playing the labeling game, accusing people of being racists when they are not, accusing people of being fascists, when they are not.

Antifa, and all of their supporters have been calling conservatives, and libertarians, and even moderate liberals fascists for defending free speech.

Up to this point, all you have been doing is accusing Rujikin of calling people names, while your only contribution to this thread has been vindictive, baseless, accusation.

You have no ideas rawrati. You have nothing to contribute. You tried to silence those who disagreed with you with insults and dismissal, and baseless accusation, and in the end you message was empty, meaningless diatribe.
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It has been the leftists who have been playing the labeling game, accusing people of being racists when they are not, accusing people of being fascists, when they are not.

Antifa, and all of their supporters have been calling conservatives, and libertarians, and even moderate liberals fascists for defending free speech.

Up to this point, all you have been doing is accusing Rujikin of calling people names, while your only contribution to this thread has been vindictive, baseless, accusation.

You have no ideas rawrati. You have nothing to contribute. You tried to silence those who disagreed with you with insults and dismissal, and baseless accusation, and in the end you message was empty, meaningless diatribe.


I don't have anything else to do right now, so I thought I would point something out. You are doing exactly the same thing that you accuse others of doing. You are equating leftists with "antifa"--and that is labeling. Not all leftists see conservatives as fascists.

Also, you don't understand what about free speech makes it "free," because you don't understand what freedom means. Arguing against someone is not censorship, because arguing against someone does not constrain their freedom. It's simply not coercion. I am using the negative interpretation of liberty, which is foundational for the government of the United States and other democratic countries with rule of law. If you want more details, you can watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjQ-W2-fKUs&t=2018s
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DeadlyOats wrote:


rawratl wrote:



Nice brother, if you have nothing intelligent to say. Just call them a cuck.


It has been the leftists who have been playing the labeling game, accusing people of being racists when they are not, accusing people of being fascists, when they are not.

Antifa, and all of their supporters have been calling conservatives, and libertarians, and even moderate liberals fascists for defending free speech.

Up to this point, all you have been doing is accusing Rujikin of calling people names, while your only contribution to this thread has been vindictive, baseless, accusation.

You have no ideas rawrati. You have nothing to contribute. You tried to silence those who disagreed with you with insults and dismissal, and baseless accusation, and in the end you message was empty, meaningless diatribe.


Refer to the second post in the thread, that was my idea on the topic. Coming from someone who has no ideas other than whatever retarded youtube video he watches, I take what you said as a compliment. Also, rujikun says cuck in every other post, my point in pointing that is the hypocrisy of saying the left calls names and so on and then turning around and calling everyone that disagrees a cuck. Pretty sure you do the same as Ruji. So don't preach to me.
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That's trying way too hard, even for a political cartoon. But I guess it does run on Infowars, so.

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That's trying way too hard, even for a political cartoon. But I guess it does run on Infowars, so.



You kinda mean like those protests.. that burn anything to the ground and show the "ethitical" method of introducing some random guy head to a tire lock? But hey, the cartoon is trying to hard.
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You kinda mean like those protests.. that burn anything to the ground and show the "ethitical" method of introducing some random guy head to a tire lock? But hey, the cartoon is trying to hard.


Or the "ethical" method of shooting someone in the stomach, curbstomping someone, punching them in the face or chasing them down and gangbeating them?

Both sides have shitheads. Don't give me that.
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Nasigno wrote:
You kinda mean like those protests.. that burn anything to the ground and show the "ethitical" method of introducing some random guy head to a tire lock? But hey, the cartoon is trying to hard.


Or the "ethical" method of shooting someone in the stomach, curbstomping someone, punching them in the face or chasing them down and gangbeating them?

Both sides have shitheads. Don't give me that.


Oh, I'm sorry I forgot how when a group of people in black clothes, covered faces, and acting overtly violent is not depicted as potentially threatening. Moral of the story, probably not a good idea to do someone else, as that potentially get you shot. Is that what happened, I dunno, but lets be honest those protests are far from "peaceful" especially when BAMN comes out with "militant" protests by their own speaker saying they've not been "violent" enough.

Oh and you mean like this?


I'm sorry has a lapse in some of the protests during the election also escaped your mind? Antifa and anti-trump protests are not covered in peaceful actions by the the opposition, it is far from it. But the point stands, you can't argue that it has not gone "over the top" with these protests.

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Oh, I'm sorry I forgot how when a group of people in black clothes, covered faces, and acting overtly violent is not depicted as potentially threatening.


As opposed to the ones in red white blue, with covered faces, helmets and acting overtly violent? The only thing antifa has going for it is colour co-ordination.

And thats ignoring the occasional shithead that shows up with neo-nazi crap.



Nasigno wrote:Moral of the story, probably not a good idea to do someone else, as that potentially get you shot. Is that what happened, I dunno, but lets be honest those protests are far from "peaceful" especially when BAMN comes out with "militant" protests by their own speaker saying they've not been "violent" enough.


No, what happened is they plotted to shoot a protester and try to make it look like self defense:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/couple-charged-with-assault-in-shooting-melee-during-uw-speech-by-milo-yiannopoulos/




Nasigno wrote:
I'm sorry has a lapse in some of the protests during the election also escaped your mind? Antifa and anti-trump protests are not covered in peaceful actions by the the opposition, it is far from it. But the point stands, you can't argue that it has not gone "over the top" with these protests.


I'm not arguing it isn't "over the top" I'm arguing that both sides are culpable in the violence going on. Both sides have shit heads looking for shit and finding it. It isn't a bunch of innocent angels defending themselves from the yokes of oppression. Its a collection of opposing shitheads scheduling dates with each other.

Angry mobs aren't self defense. Nor are they valiant or patriotic. They're angry mobs.
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Well I can agree to that point, as angry mobs are counter productive. But in the large scope of it, if one side has persistent attempted to do how Antifa has the whole election, it will end up in this result. After a point it is fair to be done with someone's shit.

Hell the Berkerly protestors don't even know what they are protesting especially when their spokes person is like "Milo is a Nazi and spreading homophobic lies!" I mean really given his religion background and sexuality it begs to question how much these people even know what they are protesting.

Likewise, it is fair to assume you have the right to your assembly. If the police are going to do nothing, and political ties such as where the Mayor is being found to be associated with the protest and police are being told to stand down questions how well you will be assisted in this case when they do go violent.

It's getting to a point it's beyond a line, and Antifa is getting dangerous with BAMN and it's Arizona group "Redneck Revolution"
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As opposed to the ones in red white blue, with covered faces, helmets and acting overtly violent? The only thing antifa has going for it is colour co-ordination.




People organizing to protect rally goers and wearing sports gear to protect their braincase because of violent rioters wanting to shut down their free speech rally != being a violent rioter shutting down a free speech rally with m80s, glass bottles, steel bike locks and knives


Sounds like you've been taken in by the horseshoe(shit) theory

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Nasigno wrote:
Well I can agree to that point, as angry mobs are counter productive. But in the large scope of it, if one side has persistent attempted to do how Antifa has the whole election, it will end up in this result. After a point it is fair to be done with someone's shit.


Aside from that KKK thing then the nazi melee back in June, "Antifa" didn't do that much "the whole election" and I don't have much sympathy for those two. The main part of this mess happened post election and really coalesced around Huntington and Berkeley. Huntington was ugly for the counter protestors, as you had a subset of Trump supporters that near lynched 4 counter-protesters after a melee the Trump supporters started by inexplicably attacking a journalist.

That fed into the Berkeley shit. Where you had people showing up in farking battle armour like Based Stickman there. Who, for the record, continued to show up at each event thereafter in helmet and mask, with friends, and continue to get into shit. He was arrested for battery and another of his buddies was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon after the last round.

Its a cyclonic problem. Both sides can hop on Youtube and pull up hours of video that support their viewpoint of how these events played out. Its just as easy to go grab a video of a Trump support beating some dude about the head with a flag pole or curbstomping a guy as it is to find a video of bike lock dude. The main difference being you aren't going to see a lot of videos of people praising bike lock guy and adding a sound track of America, Fuck Yeah to the clip.

Thus is the problem. You can't glorify and celebrate violence in the same breath you're condemning the other side for being violent.



Nasigno wrote:Hell the Berkerly protestors don't even know what they are protesting especially when their spokes person is like "Milo is a Nazi and spreading homophobic lies!" I mean really given his religion background and sexuality it begs to question how much these people even know what they are protesting.


Despite his sexuality Milo is virulently anti-gay. You might want to check into Milo before you accuse them of not knowing about him.



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Likewise, it is fair to assume you have the right to your assembly. If the police are going to do nothing, and political ties such as where the Mayor is being found to be associated with the protest and police are being told to stand down questions how well you will be assisted in this case when they do go violent.

It's getting to a point it's beyond a line, and Antifa is getting dangerous with BAMN and it's Arizona group "Redneck Revolution"


The police farking off doesn't help either side and the BPD weren't ordered to "stand down". If anything, it seems the BPD just don't know what the fuck to do and don't have the resources to do it. There's actually two forces with jurisdiction here, the BPD and Berkeley's university police force. As well as a third, the Oakland PD, who were called in after the BPD put out a call for help.

Calling in an additional 180 officers from Oakland doesn't seem to fit with the whole "Stand down" conspiracy theory I see bouncing around all the usual suspect websites. I'm not buying that one till I see it from a reputable source with some evidence thats more than a vine of one smarmy cop.

As for the going beyond the line, a number of "antifa" were stabbed and one had already been shot before this all even got to Berkeley. Nevermind the dogpile beatings. Its already gone beyond the line and neither side is innocent.








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Sounds like you've been taken in by the horseshoe(shit) theory


Again, you spent some odd 3 pages literally arguing against reality itself over the Huntington beach rally just so you could justify a dude cold cock punching a woman half his size in the face. If there was a video of a Neo-Nazi in a Trump hat stabbing an Antifa protester 37 times you'd claim she was infringing on his free speech by falling onto his knife over and over.

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Again, you spent some odd 3 pages literally arguing against reality itself over the Huntington beach rally just so you could justify a dude cold cock punching a woman half his size in the face. If there was a video of a Neo-Nazi in a Trump hat stabbing an Antifa protester 37 times you'd claim she was infringing on his free speech by falling onto his knife over and over.



Moldylocks wasn't at Huntington beach, that was at Berkeley. And she was assaulting people with a deadly weapon after having stated on her twitter that she intended on murdering free speech rally goers and mutilating their corpses.
Unless you're talking about that person at Huntington Beach that was tackled then later arrested and charged with felony use of pepper spray for spraying Trump supporters and running away before he/she/it was tackled.
There have been several cases of antifa getting stabbed and one shot in self defense relatively recently, why would your hypothetical be any different? You just leave out the part where the 'innocent' antifa initiates violence with a deadly weapon, as always.

Moldylocks even told Snopes that this Rueters pic was 'manipulated' before later backtracking and saying she was merely 'picking up trash' at the time
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She was throwing improvised explosives into a crowd! She is a Terrorist and should be treated as such.
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