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ranran-001 wrote: I have the new 3ds, and no it's not a gimmick.

And I just watched the Spawncast youtube on the introduction of the 2DS XL, and all of them basically had their 3D turned off.

The people who appreciate it really seem to like it a lot, which is why I think that the Forbes "Hot Take" about the "End of the 3DS" is hyperbole ... I expect the "New" 3DS XL to remain in the market as the top of the 3DS line, but for the "New" 2DS XL (possible joined by either a "New" 2DS doorstop or a "New" 3DS Lite at a lower price point) to be the larger seller at the lower price point.


Potaku wrote: I'll trade in my 3dsxl for this so I can finally play xenoblade on the go.

This is the kind of transaction I would not be surprised to see repeated quite a bit. There's only a few games in the "New" Exclusives list, but Xenoblade Chronicles is a big draw, and some of the others are highly rated as well.

Nintendo does not include an AC adapter with the "New" 3DS XL, supposedly on the theory that it would mostly be bought by owners of Original Generation 3DS's, who "would have" an adapter already. But, of course, if they have traded that in in order to help finance the purchase ... then the store would have insisted that the adapter be included in the trade-in.

Seems they are not repeating that particular "strategy" ... the 2DS XL has an adapter included. For most people, the retail price of a Nintendo 3DS AC adapter can be added to the $50 price difference between the two units.


Just because a couple of people on youtube had their 3d turned off does not make it a gimmick.

I find it essential to have 3d on for Mario Golf and Monster Hunter. It's on for every game I play, so to me, it is not a gimmick, I could care less if ten folks hate on the 3d effect.
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agila61 wrote:
The people who appreciate it really seem to like it a lot, which is why I think that the Forbes "Hot Take" about the "End of the 3DS" is hyperbole


Well, Imean, it is Forbes. Like 90% of their video game coverage are freelance bloggers desperate for clicks.
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Just bought Xenblade 3d to play when I pick one up in the summer. I feel like that game will never depreciate in value.
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I still own a functional "old" 3DS and never really used the 3d function. I saw the new 2DS is cheaper, but the most interesting thing about it is that unlike the original 2DS, it has a flip screen that makes it smaller and easier to stow in your pocket.

But as I said, the unit I own still works. Is there any good reason for me to trade up?
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OrcishSettlers wrote: I still own a functional "old" 3DS and never really used the 3d function. I saw the new 2DS is cheaper, but the most interesting thing about it is that unlike the original 2DS, it has a flip screen that makes it smaller and easier to stow in your pocket.

But as I said, the unit I own still works. Is there any good reason for me to trade up?

It depends on whether you want to play Xenoblade Chronicle 3D, the Binding of Isaac, or any of the other "New-Generation-only" games, or value the additional capabilities you get on some of the games ... the extra "nub" that provides a compact C-stick on the right side and the ZR/ZL buttons next to the triggers are compatible with the Circle Pad Pro add-on, so even some games introduced before the New 3DS came out will benefit compared to an OG 3DS without a Circle Pad Pro.

This Gamespot list gives some of the games that are "better" on the New 3DS. Xenoblade Chronicles because it requires the New 3DS (or New 2DS XL) to run, others because the C-stick makes control easier. One because it supports amiibos.

Since the New 3DS is supported in Unity, the next year may see more ports of 3rd party indie games based on Unity engine that are "NG-only" for the New 3DS XL, and the introduction of this new unit will only encourage that trend.

But if you primarily value games that benefit strongly from the 3D effect, the 3DS XL would still be the trade-up you would be looking for ... though you might wait until the 2DS XL come out in your market, since it seems likely that there will be a refresh of 3DS XL inventories around the same time, and prices should settle down toward (or in some markets below) MSRP. And if you aren't interested in the relatively limited number of games that benefit from the NG hardware, there is no pressing need to upgrade.

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agila61 wrote: The people who appreciate it really seem to like it a lot, which is why I think that the Forbes "Hot Take" about the "End of the 3DS" is hyperbole


Well, Imean, it is Forbes. Like 90% of their video game coverage are freelance bloggers desperate for clicks.

A lot of video game coverage all over is very click-baity.

That goes for a lot of stories about the 3D effect in the 3DS being "a gimmick" ... great for traffic when the 3DS was announced, and again when it was released, and again when the New 3DS was released, and again with both 2DS's ... because it will attract support from people who don't like it or use it much, and be attacked by people who like it, and both reactions are good for traffic.

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Not really interested in it. I have the original 2ds, and its fine for all the games I want to play. I don't like Nintendo's eshop, so the SNES doesn't affect me nor binding of isaac, and I can live without Xenoblade Chronicles. They probably should have released this instead of the New 3ds though.
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I like it. I rarely use 3D mode. I have a non-XL *New* 3DS (the one with the interchangeable face plates), so if this came in a non-XL format, I might even consider it. I would wager that if this model is marginally successful, they will eventually release a non-XL format but *shrug*.

I take my 3DS _everywhere_, so if this is lighter, that would be so much better. Wonder how the battery compares with an XL with 3D turned off?
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yngvarr wrote: I like it. I rarely use 3D mode. I have a non-XL *New* 3DS (the one with the interchangeable face plates), so if this came in a non-XL format, I might even consider it. I would wager that if this model is marginally successful, they will eventually release a non-XL format but *shrug*.

I take my 3DS _everywhere_, so if this is lighter, that would be so much better. Wonder how the battery compares with an XL with 3D turned off?

I'll be watching blunty on Youtube to see if he gets one when they release in Australia in mid-June. I expect he'd cover battery life, and I'd trust him more than whatever Nintendo may claim.

I know that it is lighter than a NG 3DS XL, but it is not supposed to be lighter than a NG 3DS ... at least, Wikipedia lists a 3DS at 253grams, and Nintendo claims the NG 2DS XL is about 260 grams. It's main benefit over the first "New" 3DS is the larger screens.

Mind, I don't expect Nintendo expects to get many people owning a New 3DS to buy one of these ... they are more aiming at people like me, who have skipped the 3DS family entirely up until now, as well as people who have the OG 3DS and haven't been tempted to upgrade up until now.

Looking at the online marketing of the "2DS" family, "Two Great Options for 2D Gaming!", I am getting a stronger sense that they are going into Christmas with the OG 2DS ... it's pushing the OG 2DS a bit hard for them to be slotting a "doorstop" NG 2DS in this coming holiday season..

So if they come in under the NG 2DS XL, after seeing that online advertising in more detail, I am kind of cutting the likelihood of a final "New Generation" 3DS family in half ... maybe they'll come out with a NG 2DS Lite, but I'm getting a stronger sense that they are going to leave the OG 2DS (with Mario Kart bundled) as the bottom of the price ladder, and compatibility with the "Exclusive New 3DS games" as the checklist point for an upgrade to the NG 2DS XL.

The way that they are laying the "2DS" systems out, it is perfectly compatible with expanding that into "Three Great Options for 2D Gaming!" ... they can just fan out the options.the same way with the 2DS Lite in the middle (and since the OG 2DS is about the same weight as the 2DS XL, a "2DS Lite" really would qualify as the "Lite" system).
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yngvarr wrote:

I like it. I rarely use 3D mode. I have a non-XL *New* 3DS (the one with the interchangeable face plates), so if this came in a non-XL format, I might even consider it. I would wager that if this model is marginally successful, they will eventually release a non-XL format but *shrug*.

I take my 3DS _everywhere_, so if this is lighter, that would be so much better. Wonder how the battery compares with an XL with 3D turned off?


It has the same processor and graphics capability as the N3DsXL, so in terms of power it will almost be identical. Only two things could mean more battery life. First, since it will be 2d, there is no extra lcd filter that creates the 3d effect, so that saves some battery life. The other would be that because it only operates in 2d mode, in theory this means no processing is devoted to producing two video output images. Don't expect more than a marginal gain in battery life.
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Looks all right. Japan is going to get Dragon Quest XI-themed 2DS and it looks cool. This is one of those times i wish lived in Japan. Then again, it would only play Japan-only games. IF only it could get in west, too. If only...
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ranran-001 wrote: It has the same processor and graphics capability as the N3DsXL, so in terms of power it will almost be identical. Only two things could mean more battery life. ...

To be complete, or 3rd, they use a better battery ... while battery improvements have not been as dramatic as processor/RAM improvements, they have been ongoing, driven by the demand from smartphone makers. But if I was betting, I would bet they use the same battery as the 3D XL, for scale economies in ordering.

Note that as advertised, the screen is 400x240, not 800x240 split to 400x240 per eye, as in the 3DS, so they didn't avoided the direct "3D mode killer" approach of offering an 800x240 2D display. AFAIU, if you want that higher resolution 2D display, you have to get the 3DS XL and turn the 3D effect off. But if they use the same display (without the 3D overlay) as the 3DS XL (for the same scale economies in ordering), then the GPU is just putting out two identical pixels side by side, so the energy saving would not be as great as if it was driving a display with half as many physical pixels.

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dmdwriter wrote: Not really interested in it. I have the original 2ds, and its fine for all the games I want to play. I don't like Nintendo's eshop, so the SNES doesn't affect me nor binding of isaac, and I can live without Xenoblade Chronicles. They probably should have released this instead of the New 3ds though.

If they had launched with this instead of the NG 3DS after they brought out the doorstop OG 2DS, there would be no "top of the line" NG 3DS XL in their lineup ... the "NG exclusive" games would all be 2D only.

They shipped almost 10m of the "New" 3DS by the end of 2016, and the 3DS units were famously hard to find in February of this year, so most of those would have sold. For a family refresh in the 4th-6th year in the market, they'll not be regretting the "NG" strategy.
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They are now close enough to launch for reporters from gaming sites to start getting hands on at promotional events.

This one is a youtube hands-on from GameXplain. They also have some quick previews of the new games that will be released at the same day as the US 2DS XL release.
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It's too bad this wasn't available when I was looking to invest in the handheld. I could have saved a wad of cash.
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Nintendo and their rehashes. This one gave me quite a laugh, because it just sounds like a complete and total joke. Nintendo has become a parody of themselves at this point.

My 3DS from 2011 still does me just fine. I have no need for this at all. Even if my 3DS had broken I still wouldn't need it, the real next handheld should be on its way soon.

For those who have a 3DS of any kind, don't buy this. Seriously. Save your money. I can not believe people actually buy these, unless it's their very first 3DS.
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onepiece_fan wrote: Nintendo and their rehashes. This one gave me quite a laugh, because it just sounds like a complete and total joke. Nintendo has become a parody of themselves at this point.

My 3DS from 2011 still does me just fine. I have no need for this at all. ...

The thing is, the sales of the 3DS family increased last year over the year before. So there is clearly a market, whether people who had a DS family device moving up to a 3DS device to get the most recent Pokémon game, or people who have put too much wear and tear on their current 3DS device getting a new one.


... Even if my 3DS had broken I still wouldn't need it, the real next handheld should be on its way soon.

Depends on what you mean by "soon". There's no guarantee that there is another "real handheld" coming at all, with Sony dropping out of the handheld game console market and the Switch form factor not easily squeezed down any smaller.

Another "real handheld" might be waiting on a strategic decision by Nintendo that there is a market for something like the n2DS XL form factor that is Switch compatible (a "Nintendo Flip"), and even there we are looking at 2019 or 2020 before it's feasible to bring it to market.


For those who have a 3DS of any kind, don't buy this. Seriously. Save your money. I can not believe people actually buy these, unless it's their very first 3DS.

It doesn't seem like it is primarily intended for those who have a 3DS of any kind ... it seems like it is primarily intended for the much larger number of people who never bought a 3DS of any kind.

To be sure, if some people who own an OG 3DS (or OG 2DS) want to get the device for the faster load times, access to SNES VC games, and support for game play or improved game play for the small number of games that do not run or are limited on the OG 3DS, Nintendo will be happy to sell it to them. But that wouldn't be why they brought this device into the market between the OG 2DS and the n3DS XL price points.

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