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Google & Bing Changing the definiton of Fascism
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wow wait


why did it add in right wing?
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It is actually a Daily Caller article as well.
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TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

wow wait


why did it add in right wing?

yes, exactly why did it ADD in right wing

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screefalcon wrote:
Note that you've linked the Oxford English Dictionary. However there are several oxford dictionaries. What octorockandroll linked is the Oxford Reference. What Google (and presumably Bing) use is the Oxford American College Dictionary, which is the dictionary they use for all definitions. The change was made back in 2010 so unless you're claiming they changed their dictionary of choice 7 years ago specifically because they wanted a different definition of fascism the original claim has no basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Dictionary

You also don't appear to have provided any evidence for your assertion that the dictionary changed their definition. Not incidentally, http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism has several sections that happen to agree with the definition of fascism as a form of right-wing extremism.

The use of right-wing as part of the definition is not an attempt to discredit Republicans by saying "right-wing equals Fascism" but rather to clarify that Fascism is an extremist form of right-wing politics. Communism is an equally extreme example of left-wing politics. Appropriate 'politically neutral' terms would be Authoritarian or Autocratic as these simply describe the controlling nature of a regime without any implication as to what form that control takes.


It's been ~70 years since WW2 ended and now they decide to change the definition of fascism to right wing all of a sudden. Why? Their old definition was spot on:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

That could apply to either left or right wing groups. The focus is on authoritarian and the nation above the individual. If they wanted to expand it then they could add Musolini's quote and add corporate control of government policy.
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TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

Wow is Rujikin that guy with the Blazetop stop n pop pokemon avatar ? did he justr change his profile pic?


Changed it to Wendy. See this thread: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-989415/wendys-pr-guy-needs-a-raise?pg=0


that's so cute omg

Posted 5/2/17
Google says, extreme right wing

also this reminds me of this vid by wisecrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mAG-0PKpgE

Posted 5/3/17
Right-wing fascists surprised the definition of fascism includes "right-wing"

What the hell is the issue here? What problem do you have with fascism being right-wing?
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redokami wrote:
fascism doesn't belong to either side, any side can be fascist , if we were even going to place fascism on one end of the political spectrum it would be more left leaning
fascism is specifically about tyranny, which the right is not for , its well known the right wants small government
right wing, left wing, both part fo the same eagle lol


You are conflating American politics and political science. The modern use of the term "fascist" that gets tossed around by college students, internet forums and the like is near meaningless at this point. That said, fascism is on the right of the spectrum much as communism is on the left. As its usually built on nationalism and authoritarianism while positioned to oppose liberalism and democracy.

But just because its on the right doesn't mean it is the right anymore than Communism being on the left means it is the left. They are both extremes.

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Rujikin wrote:


screefalcon wrote:
Note that you've linked the Oxford English Dictionary. However there are several oxford dictionaries. What octorockandroll linked is the Oxford Reference. What Google (and presumably Bing) use is the Oxford American College Dictionary, which is the dictionary they use for all definitions. The change was made back in 2010 so unless you're claiming they changed their dictionary of choice 7 years ago specifically because they wanted a different definition of fascism the original claim has no basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Dictionary

You also don't appear to have provided any evidence for your assertion that the dictionary changed their definition. Not incidentally, http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism has several sections that happen to agree with the definition of fascism as a form of right-wing extremism.

The use of right-wing as part of the definition is not an attempt to discredit Republicans by saying "right-wing equals Fascism" but rather to clarify that Fascism is an extremist form of right-wing politics. Communism is an equally extreme example of left-wing politics. Appropriate 'politically neutral' terms would be Authoritarian or Autocratic as these simply describe the controlling nature of a regime without any implication as to what form that control takes.


It's been ~70 years since WW2 ended and now they decide to change the definition of fascism to right wing all of a sudden. Why? Their old definition was spot on:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

That could apply to either left or right wing groups. The focus is on authoritarian and the nation above the individual.


As someone who has studied Linguistics (the nature of language), I take no issue with you finding one definition 'more correct' than another. By the same token I do not have the time or energy to convince you otherwise, since the most important facet of language is the ability to communicate complex ideas clearly. If you referred to Clinton or Sanders as a "fascist" I would understand that you didn't mean they were right-wing politicians. Likewise, I could refer to Trump interchangeably as fascist, autocratic, or authoritarian and you would understand I meant the same thing by all of them. Dictionaries do not determine the meaning of words; how we use them does.

However, until you show evidence that the definition provided in the source has actually changed the 'correctness' of the definition is unrelated to your original claim that "Google changed its definition of Fascism" (which it provably did not) or your secondary claim that "the Oxford American College Dictionary changed its definition", beyond being an explanation for the apparent change on Google if indeed such a thing happened. I've read several articles making this claim but all of them point to external dictionaries as proof that the definition was changed, rather than pointing to any previous definitions used by Google or its source dictionary.

Comparing the definition in one dictionary to the definition in another is not useful for the purposes of determining if the definition in either dictionary was 'changed'. If you were to look at any two dictionaries side-by-side you would find innumerable discrepancies. This is because the editors of dictionaries attempt to compile the current (and sometimes historical) understanding of words. This is actually fairly important as comparatively few words in the English language are coined alongside their definition and even words that are take on meanings outside their original intent. So going back to what I would like you to understand, the Oxford American College Dictionary (Google), the Oxford Reference (octorockandroll), and the Oxford English Dictionary (you) are not even versions of the same dictionary. They are distinct reference entities, although I don't know if Oxford Reference has its own dictionary or uses another source (as Google and Bing do).

FWIW, I personally try to reference the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) due to its efforts to track the historical 'lineage' of words. And since the origin of the term is with the Fascist party I would have to do a LOT more research on the political history of the 1920's before I came to any conclusions regarding the accuracy of the inclusion of 'right-wing' in the definition from a historical perspective. From a modern perspective that all depends on how people use the word in practice.
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Rujikin wrote:

It's been ~70 years since WW2 ended and now they decide to change the definition of fascism to right wing all of a sudden. Why? Their old definition was spot on:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

That could apply to either left or right wing groups. The focus is on authoritarian and the nation above the individual. If they wanted to expand it then they could add Musolini's quote and add corporate control of government policy.


Why yes, it COULD include either left or right wing groups, COULDN'T it?

I mean, I seem to recall a few other political ideologies which call for economic and social regimentation, the forcible suppression of opposition, and (as in Italian Fascisti fascism, IE ACTUAL fascism) holds as a central tenet the belief that the government should hold sole control of the means of all production and distribution of goods.

Man, what was it called? Something about communities...? Or communes or something? It *certainly* couldn't have been on the "left" end of the political spectrum, I'm sure.
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“Fascist states pursued policies of social indoctrination through propaganda in education and the media and regulation of the production of educational and media materials.”

1. Pauley, Bruce F. (2003). Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini: Totalitarianism in the Twentieth Century Italy. p. 117.

2. Payne, Stanley G. (1996). A History of Fascism, 1914–1945. p. 220.

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And yet again, I'm reading another comment thread with people not only talking
about Fascism but PRACTICING Fascism. Half the comments here are
either in the process of being reported or already have been deleted by
a moderator.

How come you kids can't just talk about things without needing safe spaces
and authority to help provide you with those spaces?

Civility, what's that?
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ssjwes1980 wrote:

And yet again, I'm reading another comment thread with people not only talking
about Fascism but PRACTICING Fascism. Half the comments here are
either in the process of being reported or already have been deleted by
a moderator.

How come you kids can't just talk about things without needing safe spaces
and authority to help provide you with those spaces?

Civility, what's that?


Forums are moderated and posts adhere to a set of rules. That's not fascism, that's just a privately owned company doing what it wants with its website. If you don't like the fact that rules are enforced then you don't have to post here but there's no sense in crying fascism whenever a rule is enforced.
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octorockandroll wrote:


ssjwes1980 wrote:

And yet again, I'm reading another comment thread with people not only talking
about Fascism but PRACTICING Fascism. Half the comments here are
either in the process of being reported or already have been deleted by
a moderator.

How come you kids can't just talk about things without needing safe spaces
and authority to help provide you with those spaces?

Civility, what's that?


Forums are moderated and posts adhere to a set of rules. That's not fascism, that's just a privately owned company doing what it wants with its website. If you don't like the fact that rules are enforced then you don't have to post here but there's no sense in crying fascism whenever a rule is enforced.




That's not what I'm talking about...
I'm talking about all the babies on this site reporting each other for expressing themselves ...
This flagging I'm talking about you are also being subject to so why are you trying to start an
argument with me?

It's a given this site can mod who ever it wants stop trying to pick at low hanging fruit. Just
for arguments sake.

Try to keep up with me, I'm not commenting about the site but the users..
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