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Washington Times throws a god damn tantrum over a talk show host talking about the health of his child
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I am not sure what the problem is, other than the simple notion that healthcare should be free to an extent. As long as he avoided endorsing any actual plans to do so, such as Obamacare, then I do not really care and consider it beyond the realm of political partisanship.


It's still partisan but there's nothing wrong with him showing his political leanings on his own damn show.
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octorocknroll hitting another one out of the park and the crowd goes wild
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not sure what the problem is, other than the simple notion that healthcare should be free to an extent. As long as he avoided endorsing any actual plans to do so, such as Obamacare, then I do not really care and consider it beyond the realm of political partisanship.


It's still partisan but there's nothing wrong with him showing his political leanings on his own damn show.


Well, apart from his style being classless and tacky, sure. "It's my show" != "Anything I do is OK and you can't criticize me, no matter how classless".
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octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not sure what the problem is, other than the simple notion that healthcare should be free to an extent. As long as he avoided endorsing any actual plans to do so, such as Obamacare, then I do not really care and consider it beyond the realm of political partisanship.


It's still partisan but there's nothing wrong with him showing his political leanings on his own damn show.


Well, apart from his style being classless and tacky, sure. "It's my show" != "Anything I do is OK and you can't criticize me, no matter how classless".


I need you to define exactly what you feel is classless about him expressing a political opinion
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octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not sure what the problem is, other than the simple notion that healthcare should be free to an extent. As long as he avoided endorsing any actual plans to do so, such as Obamacare, then I do not really care and consider it beyond the realm of political partisanship.


It's still partisan but there's nothing wrong with him showing his political leanings on his own damn show.


Well, apart from his style being classless and tacky, sure. "It's my show" != "Anything I do is OK and you can't criticize me, no matter how classless".


Phew. I was worried somebody had kidnapped you or something, but now I can tell its still really you with how you put words in other people's mouths.
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i would say universal health coverage should only be accessible if you wouldn't be able to financially cover it yourself without going it debt or such but in this case he probably could've he just wouldn't be to own a new car or something
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not sure what the problem is, other than the simple notion that healthcare should be free to an extent. As long as he avoided endorsing any actual plans to do so, such as Obamacare, then I do not really care and consider it beyond the realm of political partisanship.


It's still partisan but there's nothing wrong with him showing his political leanings on his own damn show.


I think advocating a basic moral claim need to be a legal law and then allying it with politicians of past would render it more palatable, but I am trying to find a clip or news article with a transcript.

I feel Obamacare was largely insufficient, so I understand the feeling, but I feel overall, that political partisanship has gotten too encompassing and overwhelming vitriolic. In any cases, I think that this being his talk show, I wonder what the moral outrage is about. I cannot understand Karate and Amya's claim that he is "using" his son to push an agenda. Many people push "political" agendas due to personal reasons and empathy, even those one could rationalize as being misguided or naive. They are addressing a problem with society through legislation, and in a way, they consider themselves rational, and should be treated as people following some sort of logic. Trying to denounce him as a robotic mouthpiece for the Democrats instead of a distraught human is a downright dehumanization that far too many people do on the internet.

If he did explicitly advocate for a specific policy, I would feel uncomfortable, admittingly enough.
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who is jimmy this guy?
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who is jimmy this guy?


Well, I hear he cracks corn, but I don't really care
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octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not sure what the problem is, other than the simple notion that healthcare should be free to an extent. As long as he avoided endorsing any actual plans to do so, such as Obamacare, then I do not really care and consider it beyond the realm of political partisanship.


It's still partisan but there's nothing wrong with him showing his political leanings on his own damn show.


I think advocating a basic moral claim need to be a legal law and then allying it with politicians of past would render it more palatable, but I am trying to find a clip or news article with a transcript.

I feel Obamacare was largely insufficient, so I understand the feeling, but I feel overall, that political partisanship has gotten too encompassing and overwhelming vitriolic. In any cases, I think that this being his talk show, I wonder what the moral outrage is about. I cannot understand Karate's claim that he is "using" his son to push an agenda. Many people push "political" agendas due to personal reasons and empathy, even those one could rationalize as being misguided or naive. They are addressing a problem with society through legislation, and in a way, they consider themselves rational, and should be treated as people following some sort of logic. Trying to denounce him as a robotic mouthpiece instead of a distraught human is a downright dehumanization that far too many people do on the internet.

If he did explicitly advocate for a specific policy, I would feel uncomfortable.


Yeah, I can agree with Obamacare falling short, and the thing about the "mouthpiece" accusations but I have to disagree with the thing about advocating for specific policies. I mean people watch his show for him and for his opinions so it's only natural that he give them especially on big topics like healthcare.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I am not sure what the problem is, other than the simple notion that healthcare should be free to an extent. As long as he avoided endorsing any actual plans to do so, such as Obamacare, then I do not really care and consider it beyond the realm of political partisanship.


It's still partisan but there's nothing wrong with him showing his political leanings on his own damn show.


I think advocating a basic moral claim need to be a legal law and then allying it with politicians of past would render it more palatable, but I am trying to find a clip or news article with a transcript.

I feel Obamacare was largely insufficient, so I understand the feeling, but I feel overall, that political partisanship has gotten too encompassing and overwhelming vitriolic. In any cases, I think that this being his talk show, I wonder what the moral outrage is about. I cannot understand Karate's claim that he is "using" his son to push an agenda. Many people push "political" agendas due to personal reasons and empathy, even those one could rationalize as being misguided or naive. They are addressing a problem with society through legislation, and in a way, they consider themselves rational, and should be treated as people following some sort of logic. Trying to denounce him as a robotic mouthpiece instead of a distraught human is a downright dehumanization that far too many people do on the internet.

If he did explicitly advocate for a specific policy, I would feel uncomfortable.


Yeah, I can agree with Obamacare falling short, and the thing about the "mouthpiece" accusations but I have to disagree with the thing about advocating for specific policies. I mean people watch his show for him and for his opinions so it's only natural that he give them especially on big topics like healthcare.


I feel entertainers should to an extent remain apolitical, in a way, and I believed it to be an unsaid rule, similar to how idols are prevented from dating, among other things. People should not be hurt or care greatly about these facts to an extent, but being public figures susceptible to outrage, I consider it both a wise decision and one that I believe pleases everyone who wants to remain ignorant, including me (Except for Idols, that is stupid as hell. Grow a pair, idol fans. Fuck a real girl.) . People like Colbert have already been relatively established as being of the political sort anyway, while Kimmel is not, except for the stereotype of Hollywood liberals.

I am still conflicted over the Jontron fiasco, but I unsubscribed once I heard what he said.
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I feel entertainers should to an extent remain apolitical, in a way, and I believed it to be an unsaid rule, similar to how idols are prevented from dating, among other things. People should not be hurt or care greatly about these facts to an extent, but being public figures susceptible to outrage, I consider it both a wise decision and one that I believe pleases everyone who wants to remain ignorant, including me (Except for Idols, that is stupid as hell. Grow a pair, idol fans. Fuck a real girl.) . People like Colbert have already been relatively established as being of the political sort anyway, while Kimmel is not, except for the stereotype of Hollywood liberals.

I am still conflicted over the Jontron fiasco, but I unsubscribed once I heard what he said.


Well I actually hate Jimmy Kimmel's show, I think he's the second worst talkshow host I've seen behind fellow Jimmy, Fallon. That being said I really reeeaaally don't think entertainers should be apolitical. Musicians are always putting their personal thoughts and feelings into their songs and directors make films that reflect their viewpoints. That's not to say that they have to have political opinions in their stuff of course, but there shouldn't be a rule against it.

As for Jontron you really shouldn't feel bad for no longer following him. I knew I sure as hell didn't want my patreon money going to an asshole like that and even if you didnt donate to his patreon there's no issue in not wanting to support someone you think is an asshole.
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JonTron drank himself conservative
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I feel entertainers should to an extent remain apolitical, in a way, and I believed it to be an unsaid rule, similar to how idols are prevented from dating, among other things. People should not be hurt or care greatly about these facts to an extent, but being public figures susceptible to outrage, I consider it both a wise decision and one that I believe pleases everyone who wants to remain ignorant, including me (Except for Idols, that is stupid as hell. Grow a pair, idol fans. Fuck a real girl.) . People like Colbert have already been relatively established as being of the political sort anyway, while Kimmel is not, except for the stereotype of Hollywood liberals.

I am still conflicted over the Jontron fiasco, but I unsubscribed once I heard what he said.


Well I actually hate Jimmy Kimmel's show, I think he's the second worst talkshow host I've seen behind fellow Jimmy, Fallon. That being said I really reeeaaally don't think entertainers should be apolitical. Musicians are always putting their personal thoughts and feelings into their songs and directors make films that reflect their viewpoints. That's not to say that they have to have political opinions in their stuff of course, but there shouldn't be a rule against it.

As for Jontron you really shouldn't feel bad for no longer following him. I knew I sure as hell didn't want my patreon money going to an asshole like that and even if you didnt donate to his patreon there's no issue in not wanting to support someone you think is an asshole.


I always consider "political" to be slang for what is actually controversial. That being said, I hate these firestorms, but what I consider political, and by that I mean controversial, is completely subjective, and not something I have not clearly defined other than an annoyance factor of 1-10. I am against a legal enforcement of the rule, but I understand its existence as a rule of thumb, and seeing so much hate saddens me. Of course, you cannot control an internet mob dichotomy, and their reactions are truly to blame, considering entertainers are clearly humans. It is just another side of human nature.
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I wish people would drop this illusion of "Free Healthcare."

"The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.”

"Socialized Healthcare" is a more accurate descriptor.
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