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Sorry, my emotions are running high on this. I don't want to have to make decisions like giving up my dog in order to afford medical care, or not being able to afford a visit to my parents once a year, or even where I live. I have a good job as well, and I did my darndest to stop Trump during the election, but yep, all for naught now.


No, I understand completely. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer with what I was getting at, and even more sorry that you're having so much trouble because of all this nonsense. The US needs healthcare reform, sure enough, but not this. It needs to move from a two-tier system primarily relying on employer-provided private insurance to one relying primarily on public insurance or an outright single-payer system. I'd go with the latter myself.
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Those groups likely didn't vote for them in the first place. Angry democrats are just par for the course.


In state and local elections, there's a pretty good chance angry voters in town halls will be the ones that previously voted for them. Support for coverage regardless of preexisting conditions is not a strictly divided by party lines, and the GOP alternative is looking pretty poorly funded and thought out.
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I feel like making a big to-do about health insurance is missing the main core of the problem. The reason healthcare insurance costs are high is because healthcare costs are way too high. Switching between insurance plans does little to address that problem. We are spending all of this time arguing about how best we can ignore the symptoms of a bigger issue.
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I understand how you feel about abortion, but favoring the AHCA because it does something about abortion while ignoring the dollars and cents difference it makes to other ordinary Americans feels narrow-minded.

Repeating this might not help, but, about the AHCA,



--It enacts drastic cuts to Medicaid, amounting to $370 billion over 10 years.
--AHCA will lead to higher premiums in many cases, especially for people with the largest objective financial or health care needs, in which case premiums could rise by as much as 750 percent.
--Far from covering everybody, the original version of AHCA is forecast to increase the ranks of the uninsured by as much as 24 million. Nobody is quite sure how much the deregulatory provisions added this week will alter that because House Republicans haven’t bothered to take the time to get a new score of the bill.
--Deductibles are forecast to rise by about $1,500 on average.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/4/15542342/ahca-promises-broken
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MysticGon wrote:

Those groups likely didn't vote for them in the first place. Angry democrats are just par for the course.


In state and local elections, there's a pretty good chance angry voters in town halls will be the ones that previously voted for them. Support for coverage regardless of preexisting conditions is not a strictly divided by party lines, and the GOP alternative is looking pretty poorly funded and thought out.


Considering this is one of the issues that people voted for their candidate on I'm not convinced the majority just changed their mind because news outlets, celebrities and democrats are freaking out.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

it passed right after they made sure to exempt themselves from losing obamacare benefits
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/04/republicans_in_congress_exempt_from_obamacare_repeal_bill.html


Implying they don't just use their own special health care for politicians. They never gave that up when Obamacare passed.


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"Obama care sucks equally for everyone! Except for the rich and wall street"

- Brought to you by the Democratic party in 2010



Fixed that for you. Obamacare was the reason I couldn't get insurance for a long time. It was unaffordable, useless, and it charged me for not being able to afford it. Thanks Obama for fucking people who don't make decent money. When you have to choose between bills/food and insurance it's obvious which one you pick.

The only ones who benefited from this was insurance companies because they got tons of new people by using government force. Thanks Obama.
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I feel like making a big to-do about health insurance is missing the main core of the problem. The reason healthcare insurance costs are high is because healthcare costs are way too high. Switching between insurance plans does little to address that problem. We are spending all of this time arguing about how best we can ignore the symptoms of a bigger issue.


You're right, that's another very important piece of the puzzle. On that matter I tend to favour proposals like loosening restrictions for drug importing and bolstering the federal government's ability to negotiate for better prices.
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