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For anyone that's read me before, I tend to talk about spirituality in anything I say because I recognize that everything is spiritual. The pledge of allegiance, for example, is a prayer.

So let's look at how this has changed after being made to become what it is now:
https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-pledge-of-allegiance-mean-both-on-its-own-and-emotionally-to-Americans

1892 (first version)

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

1892 to 1923

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

1923 to 1954

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

1954 (current version)

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Alone this is not enough context to understand everything about these changes. One has to also account for the constitutional neglect and changes that occurred from the original article until the beginning of the pledge/prayer.

Originally America was a union of sovereign nations called states meant to assist all citizens to freely become more as the 10th amendment shows:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The change towards federalizing Americans and letting go of state authority began shortly after the founding of America and got a major push forward with Lincoln. Personally, I feel like Lincoln was a puppet to help spread agendas even if what he did was necessary, a lot of compromises were made for Americans to fight as occurred with a decline in state freedom. As sovereign nations, states could do anything they chose and being a citizen in any state made one a citizen within all united states as well, it was the states that made the united and not the united that controlled the states.

And with the gradual decline from freedom to federal subservience we get the pledge of allegiance.

So let's analyze the creation and changes of the pledge while I express my understanding of what's been occurring.

I find that the creation of the pledge originally without changes shows an attempt to reaffirm citizens in their faith of supporting a country after constitutional discrepancies began popping up. Much like a prayer affirms beliefs. Furthermore, I find that this was made to create an internalization of quarreling between Americans that persists still to this day about why we have a pledge. Overall though, this changes the landscape of what America is for anyone born as they are subjected to a pledge that expresses allegiance to a singular sovereign instead of the sovereign states.

The first change is subtle like many of them as we look backwards at this, but this change is enormous. This states a separation between the individual and the federal government as the pledge now includes pledging specifically to the federal agenda, a detriment to real freedom.

The next changes my flag to the flag, another attempt of dissociating citizens with their control of their experiences as this induces a shift from a free society to a society that claims freedom while having a government that is to be served. Also "of the United States of America" is added. United States of America was never so widely emphasized until added the to pledge, and adding "of" is an attempt to teach citizenry that they are because of the country, putting a national agenda ahead of freedom. America before this was definitively about supporting individuals and states but that became less clear the longer America stayed around to be subverted.

The final change added a capitalization to "N"ation and "under God". I find that this also shows a push towards teaching an agenda that works towards denying individuals real freedom by emphasizing federalism and then adding the blindness that tends to accompany anything about god and those that refuse to question this word. Furthermore, this pledge change adds the element of religion becoming apart of the doctrines spread federally and neglects the religious freedom that is central to America.

I believe that the changes of the pledge show the gradual secretive attempts to break America apart as the mentality that accompanies what is stated and shown in the changes is also that which denies much freedom while pushing attempts to teach subservience to anyone that believes they have to pledge.

There has been much debate about this pledge and I am finding that entirety of it is propaganda that is the opposite of the foundations of our country. I also find that the changes are most likely manipulative attempts to prepare America for conquering by disuniting Americans.

All of this is most definitely spiritual. I feel this is a continuation of what made America occur in the first place, following the trend of free countries popping up further and further west. As free countries were attempting to get away from those that were stuck on blind subservience that taught a lack of religious freedom. The final changes in the pledge, I find, highlight what the free masses were attempting to escape with the subversive nature of those that pushed god on others. America is meant to be free, while this pledge is propaganda opposing freedom and Americans looking backwards may not recognize the extent to which this has been occurring because of how undervalued and replaceable individuals have become from a federalist perspective.

That's about it for me. So definitely would like to read whatever anyone has to say.
Oh and someone be sure to mock me, like usual, for the amount of text I typed. That always makes you look so fucking something and definitely doesn't convince me to change!
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Whereas you see it as a law requiring subservience, I see it as a commitment to working together for the common good.
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Ya, that's along what I've been saying except I found that obvious without need of pledging. Many countries work towards the common good because its the whole point of being a country without dumbing everyone down. Really only seen countries that have been infiltrated by those not wanting others to succeed as failing to recognize the common good way.
To require a pledge teaches people that they have to be told to work together instead of recognizing this was obviously the way any country can ever thrive.
Can see the extent to the changes in America by also factoring in the police to force whatever agendas. Early on the police were only for the slaves. As masses lost sight of their commonality, police got amped up more and more and became much more widespread. Can see some major changes also coming about with changes in the pledge. My point of this is that the pledge works against us by neglecting faith in anyone working together, excusing the police, rationalizing prisons, and simplifying citizens to be... as simply manipulated as possible.
Like prayers, a daily pledge is a circular response to everything that we have been taught to associate to our country back to service. Since this tended to come with education, masses have been taught to associate everything learned with this propaganda, daily incorporating further and further brainwashing like going in circles. Circular reasoning for a country.
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I do not dislike the fact that it has "God" In It, I dislike it because of how early it starts. If there is any evidence of indoctrination, this would be the pinnacle. Regardless, I doubt not requiring the pledge will suddenly result in children being turned into violent anarchists or something.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I do not dislike the fact that it has "God" In It, I dislike it because of how early it starts. If there is any evidence of indoctrination, this would be the pinnacle. Regardless, I doubt not requiring the pledge will suddenly result in children being turned into violent anarchists or something.


Like Berkeley?
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Jamming777 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I do not dislike the fact that it has "God" In It, I dislike it because of how early it starts. If there is any evidence of indoctrination, this would be the pinnacle. Regardless, I doubt not requiring the pledge will suddenly result in children being turned into violent anarchists or something.


Like Berkeley?


I believe most schools ask for students to say it today. At least in Virginia. They just cannot legally enforce it, mainly as a violation of religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses, who are the main ones to not do it. That being said, I would not be surprised if kids with violent anarchist teenagers do not engage in the daily flag ritual, but I doubt the flag ritual is a significant factor.

I am of the belief that indoctrination is hardly a good thing no matter the belief, but in the end, people can make up their mind what they want to do. It is not a major issue for me, because school is not forever, and everywhere is someone attempting to induce you into a certain mindset or belief anyway. I just treat it as a discussion of ideas, because that to me appears to be what one may attempt to have discussions will do it for.

Maybe including this conversation.
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Totally agree, we discuss and evolution constantly occurs for all of us of some furthering along of our own awareness. Not discussing is what I find gets to the violence in ways we tend to see lately like in Berkeley.
I see nordic countries that have much unity and I see that occurring in America's start, but as we continued along in America I feel like we had huge declines in unilateral agreement with much unrest throughout the country especially because there were slaves. With the release of slaves and acceptance of screwing over natives, America has ever since been stuck in massive guilt trips and attempts to convince everyone to be happy being here. While stuff like this pledge and much propaganda, I believe, is also much to do with why our society doesn't just heal by talking to one another openly. Instead, we are told how to talk to one another, what to say, and typically learn this stuff in school shortly after a pledge of allegiance.
My grandparents and parents worked/work in the school system and I have heard much about the changes that occurred where I am once federal schooling was implemented that still persist today. Long story short, we had amazing schools (if you like schools) and after the federal shift everything because intense propaganda of some sort. I still see new stuff being pushed onto college students to convert them into voting some way. I have seen over and over again various problems that seem to arise because of federal shifts occurring and changes in the dialogue of individuals because of the mentality that changes as well.
Even my graduate program at a pretty good school, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, gave me independent study and tried to convince others as well for their independent to figure out ways to improve the school system because of the issues with divergent thought. Every time anything goes federal, creativity takes a huge dive. I find that federal system also utilizes fear, which is much apart of this dive of creativity. People become really nervous, among other reactions, and begin to struggle.
Now you see great ideas coming out of schools and they are largely ignored while worsening systems tend to be implemented. I think, iirc, it is Finland that took an American idea for fixing schools and uses it now while America just brushed it off. And they are from last I heard way higher ranked than America. Not that I feel like I'd use the same idea, but I definitely liked it better than the current system.
There is much going on with America and I do not feel much of it is in anyone's best interest. There are those that work to inspire failure.
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munruo wrote:

1892 (first version)

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

1892 to 1923

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

1923 to 1954

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

1954 (current version)

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


How could you leave out the best version?
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


With this early line of the Declaration of Independence, I had always assumed that most mentions of "God" were of the metaphorical idea of whatever bestowed the beginning of humanity. You know, not strictly Christian ideology, but the start of human society. By their Creator.
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2017-2020
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United Memes of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Meme under Trump, walls and all, with jokes and memes for all."
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back in the day day, I had to say that pledge every day all through grade school. its burned into my brain forever.


namealreadytaken wrote:

2017-2020
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United Memes of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Meme under Trump, walls and all, with jokes and memes for all."



^^^^ this is so much win. I support!!!
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