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While there may be some legitimacy to obeying a "survival instinct", I do not think what this lady did was wrong or constitute an unjust assault due to stupidity.

That being said, I do not think Qwueri said she "Was asking for it", because he noted that parties populated by teens are likely to be dangerous. Being a victim does not quite excuse you from common sense. He did not even stated those exact words, and it feels disingenuous when you mix up the responsibility for safety with the responsibility for consequences as being one and the same, but this is due to how I interepreted Qwueri's post, which obviously differs from yours.

That being said, attempting to settle this without police intervention does seem like something that should be done more, but now those teenagers reaped the consequences of the police being on their asses.
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If a bunch of people are being rowdy at a party, just call the police. No point in trying to do it yourself even if you'd rather not escalate it, because this is the type of shit that'll happen (especially if it's a bunch of hood rats at the party).
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outontheop wrote:

LOL.

Unlike runec's recent spurious accusations, THIS is *actual* victim shaming.

You are both literally blaming this lady and saying she was "asking for it" by approaching this party.

I don't give a shit what they might have "been on", the assailant is responsible for their actions, and should be held to account.


I'd love to see a quote where I said that "she was asking for it" or insinuated the assailant wasn't repsonsible for assault and possibly attempted manslaughter.


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Seems to me there was a pretty big story in the news just yesterday about stupid white college kids being charged with manslaughter. >.>

As for this video in particular there doesn't appear to be any information on who, when, where or how as of yet. Far back as I can find is a Liveleak upload with no details or explanation aside from it happened somewhere in the States.



Not really any additional information, but it did pop up in the DailyMail with details pretty close to the OP's accounting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4482680/Elderly-woman-body-slammed-hurled-pool.html


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You kinda do. I mean, you posted a video of actual kids playing to compare it to someone nearly getting killed by a grown man.
On top of that you blame her for 'barging in' to a place she had just as much right to be at as they did. Kinda low if you ask me. Would you use a similar argument if another attendee had been victimized due to being in an incapacitated state? "Shoulda known not to go to parties where bad stuff can happen!"


I posted a video of shit kids to each other out of fun. Whether the assualter's intent was mischief or malice, that sort of behavior is not something special based on race.

It's not difficult to find articles on how side-ways a party can go.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/photos-inside-frat-party-caused-75000-damage-ski/story?id=28416833
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/frats-behaving-badly_n_3830905.html
http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1039284-12-sad-stories-of-hazing-gone-wrong
I really shouldn't have to explain how teenagers and twenty-somethings do alot of stupid shit in front of their peers. Assholes really shine at party's and it can quickly turn dangerous.

But keep on pretending I blamed the victim for her assault rather than a general comment on the safety of confronting a group of partying kids alone. I'm sure it's just coincidence you overlooked iroh19's post I was quoting that carried a similar, more racially tinged sentiment.
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qwueri wrote:
It's foolish to barge into a group of kids throwing a loud, obnoxious party


Heh, the victim blaming begins.
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Kavalion wrote:

Heh, the victim blaming begins.


Yeah, if you squint at one particular sentence fragment and disregard the connection with the rest of the thread juuuust right, you might have a point.
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qwueri wrote:
Not really any additional information, but it did pop up in the DailyMail with details pretty close to the OP's accounting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4482680/Elderly-woman-body-slammed-hurled-pool.html


I was talking about these assholes specifically from the other day:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/05/07/penn-state-student-said-frat-brothers-ignored-pleas-to-help-classmate-who-died-after-hazing/
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime/article148846474.html

The one where they found 80% of the guy's blood in his abdomen because his frat bros not only let him slowly bleed to death all night but one of them even punched in him the stomach while he was suffering internal bleeding.



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Right, so the video originated on Twitter and came from some insufferable dipshit 16 year old in Florida. Who is smart enough to use his name on Twitter. So we'll see how quick it gets tracked down now. >.>

https://twitter.com/quefieri/status/861042019023671296

Edit: Ah ha, finally. The cops in Broward are looking into it and say the video is from North Lauderdale.

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While there may be some legitimacy to obeying a "survival instinct", I do not think what this lady did was wrong or constitute an unjust assault due to stupidity.


No, but that exact same logic is used to uniformly portray victims of a very particular set of *other* crimes as completely divorced from any personal responsibility for trying to ensure their own safety


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
That being said, I do not think Qwueri said she "Was asking for it", because he noted that parties populated by teens are likely to be dangerous. Being a victim does not quite excuse you from common sense.


Exactly. Being potential a victim does not excuse you from common sense.

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Kid turned himself in and was charged with battery:
http://wsvn.com/news/local/teen-arrested-after-woman-violently-thrown-into-pool/
http://www.wpbf.com/article/woman-thrown-in-pool-after-complaining-about-party-noise/9621405
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/us/florida-teen-arrested-pool-video/index.html



NORTH LAUDERDALE, FLA. (WSVN) - The Broward Sheriff’s Office have arrested a 16-year-old male, two days after, they said, a woman was violently slammed on the ground, then thrown into a community pool in North Lauderdale.

Leon Balfour surrendered himself to police on Monday, and has been charged with battery on a person 65 years or older in connection to the incident that was recorded on video posted to Twitter.


She was bruised but not hospitalized contrary to some of the stories floating around:


BSO deputies were called and responded at around 7 p.m. James was then examined by North Lauderdale paramedics. However, she declined to be taken to the hospital. James reportedly now has a large bruise on her arm.

“Black and blue, but you know what, he’s not gonna ever do this to anyone else,” James said.


Some other kids helped her find her dogs afterwards.

Throwing people into the pool was basically the theme of the party it seems and it was being put on by some promotional group or another. They've had pool parties previous to this but have decided to cancel any future pool events thanks to this jackass.



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outontheop wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

While there may be some legitimacy to obeying a "survival instinct", I do not think what this lady did was wrong or constitute an unjust assault due to stupidity.


No, but that exact same logic is used to uniformly portray victims of a very particular set of *other* crimes as completely divorced from any personal responsibility for trying to ensure their own safety


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
That being said, I do not think Qwueri said she "Was asking for it", because he noted that parties populated by teens are likely to be dangerous. Being a victim does not quite excuse you from common sense.


Exactly. Being potential a victim does not excuse you from common sense.



I think a great deal of it is versus "unjust actions" versus "stupid actions", which helps me distinguish when someone should hold responsibility for their action, lest it be repeated because they did not know anything, to other actions that I feel the criticizing amounts to nothing but victim blaming, but I always have that touchiness when responding to sexual assault allegations, which is perhaps my reason for thinking about the subject of victim blaming and such.

Just to note, unjust and stupid are not mutually exclusive.

I do not think the mere act of assertive confrontation is an unjust act, perhaps stupid, but this is not an excuse for the teenagers to assault her. Now if she were incredibly insulting or some other act of incredible rudeness, I would feel it would fall more into the unjust category.

In essence, being responsible has different flavors. I mean, are we responsible if we are shot dead just for going outside the house to shop at the local grocer? I find that to be bollocks, as much as not blaming 20 year old persons for attempting to reenact stunts from Jackass in the real world, without the necessary provisions.

Edit: Jesus, my multipost thing happened again.
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/pol/ identified the guy who did it. He has been arrested.
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/05/elderly-woman-pool-surrender/
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yeah i saw the news, but give props to the lady, for not issuing a suit,
cause she said some wise words, about adolescent n the way we were at the age.
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