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China? Yes. China has more illegal immigrants coming from Vietnam, Cambodia, and Myanmar than the US has immigrants coming in legally or illegally.
Korea? Yes. From the perspective of South Korea, all immigrants are "taking over their culture" (especially since 53.3% of their immigrants are Chinese).
Japan? Yes. Japan has had a rush of Western immigrants since WWII and it's pissed off the older generation to no end. They feel that their grandchildren have been "whitewashed" and manipulated by the Americans/Australians/Europeans.
Indonesia? Yep, them too. Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population. From your perspective, they'd be "taking over and replacing them".

I think it's mostly a Western phenomenon whereas they're so insecure about their own identity that they're becoming too concerned about the influence of other cultures into their countries. It's funny because most of the Western civilization was formed from immigrants from different nationalities and/or religious beliefs. Nobody is "replacing" anyone - the world is plenty big enough for everyone at its current population size (though, that may become an issue in coming years too; though, let's cross that bridge when we get there). Everywhere is being influenced and "taken over" by other nationalities and religions that aren't native. That's just the world we live since WWII. Countries became friendly with one another and allowed immigration from/to pretty much anywhere with little effort (especially for those who were active soldiers in the war).


Hmm i'll have to do some research but from what i under stand Japan is like 99.5% Japanese so...

As for Indonesia , well the religion may have swept them but they're still the same nationality/race.

I do hear what you're saying. Other countries are very influnced by white people but only white people have their countries full of non white people was more what i was saying.

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Yay a Centrist!

But I admit I don't know how a French centrist is different from an American centrist.
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Yay a Centrist!

But I admit I don't know how a French centrist is different from an American centrist.


He's basically left of the Clintons haha...
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crunchtacular wrote:

Yay a Centrist!

But I admit I don't know how a French centrist is different from an American centrist.


"There is no such thing as French culture"

"you have to learn to live with terrorism"


Maybe by "centrist" they mean "right in the center of crazyland"?
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I was kind of hoping Le Pen would win, but meh. Not like I had a say in another country's elections to begin with. As such, I'm not personally affected by the Élections de France.

But then again, I heard Macron said something along the lines of "There is no such thing as French culture." Even now, my mind is reeling over that. I could've sworn France had a culture. I mean, they have their own cuisines and national monuments and stuff. Are they trying to become post-modern like Canada now or something? Ick.


First off fuck off with the slander of my country, secondly leave it out of your mess of analogies.


Someone's butt-hurt.
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So I take it the French wouldn't of been screwed with Le Pen? She was the answer to radicalism in the Middle East? Did she have plans to build a wall?


A president is suppose to put its peoples needs first and foremost. Their current president puts their people's needs third. First is the EU demands, second is the endless refugees.
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Ranwolf wrote:


Gross1985 wrote:

I was kind of hoping Le Pen would win, but meh. Not like I had a say in another country's elections to begin with. As such, I'm not personally affected by the Élections de France.

But then again, I heard Macron said something along the lines of "There is no such thing as French culture." Even now, my mind is reeling over that. I could've sworn France had a culture. I mean, they have their own cuisines and national monuments and stuff. Are they trying to become post-modern like Canada now or something? Ick.


First off fuck off with the slander of my country, secondly leave it out of your mess of analogies.


Someone's butt-hurt.


This. The irony of it is that I always see Ran shit talking the United States.
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First off fuck off with the slander of my country, secondly leave it out of your mess of analogies.




When it's the written word it's called libel, not slander.
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the US as a whole leans pretty far to the right.


How do you figure that? If you use party affiliation as a proxy for rightness and leftness (which isn't perfect but is a pretty good measure) then the country is pretty evenly split on a consistent basis. If anything this polling data suggests it might be slightly left of center by that measure.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

This poll on the other hand, tells a different story: 38% of Americans identify as at least "somewhat conservative" as opposed to 24% who are at least "somewhat liberal." There's definitely more at work here than this single question determination would suggest though. It is unquestionable that Republicans are considered the party of the Right and Democrats that of the Left, and one is hard pressed to recall a presidential election where one party beat the other by more than a few points. In Gallup's own words, the split between liberals and conservatives according to this poll is the smallest since 1992, and a look at an accompanying chart tells the story: the number of people polled that identify as liberal has gone up at the expense of those who are "moderate." Looking further, both parties seem to be polarizing away from the center, but Republicans have a much greater degree of purity than Democrats (70 percent of Republicans claim to be "conservative" versus 44 percent of "liberal" Democrats). To me at least, this increased representation of independents and moderates in the Democrats is telling. Moderates seem to break for Democrats at a staggering rate of 2 to 1 in order for election results to be what they are, or else Democrats are simply a lot more apt to show up at the polls than their opponents. If we are inclined to believe it's mainly the former, then moderates are mostly liberals who vote for Democrats and their policies without labeling themselves such. In any case, a country where a third of people identify as moderate and 58% identify as something other than conservative is not "pretty far to the right."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx
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How do you figure that? If you use party affiliation as a proxy for rightness and leftness (which isn't perfect but is a pretty good measure) then the country is pretty evenly split on a consistent basis. If anything this polling data suggests it might be slightly left of center by that measure.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

This poll on the other hand, tells a different story: 38% of Americans identify as at least "somewhat conservative" as opposed to 24% who are at least "somewhat liberal." There's definitely more at work here than this single question determination would suggest though. It is unquestionable that Republicans are considered the party of the Right and Democrats that of the Left, and one is hard pressed to recall a presidential election where one party beat the other by more than a few points. In Gallup's own words, the split between liberals and conservatives according to this poll is the smallest since 1992, and a look at an accompanying chart tells the story: the number of people polled that identify as liberal has gone up at the expense of those who are "moderate." Looking further, both parties seem to be polarizing away from the center, but Republicans have a much greater degree of purity than Democrats (70 percent of Republicans claim to be "conservative" versus 44 percent of "liberal" Democrats). To me at least, this increased representation of independents and moderates in the Democrats is telling. Moderates seem to break for Democrats at a staggering rate of 2 to 1 in order for election results to be what they are, or else Democrats are simply a lot more apt to show up at the polls than their opponents. If we are inclined to believe it's mainly the former, then moderates are mostly liberals who vote for Democrats and their policies without labeling themselves such. In any case, a country where a third of people identify as moderate and 58% identify as something other than conservative is not "pretty far to the right."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx


When I mean that, I'm not comparing within the US, but compared to other countries.

Our center is considered right-leaning in many other countries like Western European countries or Canada.
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Macron also puts the people first, but from a more realistic standpoint. Not surprising considering his background as an investment banker. Le Pen's policies were just unrealistic and it wouldn't have gone the way she claimed. France would have suffered from an economic backlash, and while Macron's policies are pro-immigration, that doesn't mean letting everyone in or not checking on potential terrorists(which is the standard policy of every European nation).
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D4nc3Style wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


Gross1985 wrote:

I was kind of hoping Le Pen would win, but meh. Not like I had a say in another country's elections to begin with. As such, I'm not personally affected by the Élections de France.

But then again, I heard Macron said something along the lines of "There is no such thing as French culture." Even now, my mind is reeling over that. I could've sworn France had a culture. I mean, they have their own cuisines and national monuments and stuff. Are they trying to become post-modern like Canada now or something? Ick.


First off fuck off with the slander of my country, secondly leave it out of your mess of analogies.


Someone's butt-hurt.


This. The irony of it is that I always see Ran shit talking the United States.


And he will continue to do so all the while being salty as fuck if someone bad talks Canada.
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crunchtacular wrote:

Yay a Centrist!

But I admit I don't know how a French centrist is different from an American centrist.


"There is no such thing as French culture"

"you have to learn to live with terrorism"


Maybe by "centrist" they mean "right in the center of crazyland"?


we heard that from the new british ...mayor? who is a muslim
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redokami wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:


crunchtacular wrote:

Yay a Centrist!

But I admit I don't know how a French centrist is different from an American centrist.


"There is no such thing as French culture"

"you have to learn to live with terrorism"


Maybe by "centrist" they mean "right in the center of crazyland"?


we heard that from the new british ...mayor? who is a muslim


Mayor of London.
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mxdan wrote:



So I take it the French wouldn't of been screwed with Le Pen? She was the answer to radicalism in the Middle East? Did she have plans to build a wall?


A president is suppose to put its peoples needs first and foremost. Their current president puts their people's needs third. First is the EU demands, second is the endless refugees.


all of Europe is basically fucked tbh
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