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'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-esmail/canada-free-health-care_b_3733080.html

"Canada's health care system is the developed world's most expensive universal-access health care program after adjusting for the age of the population . . . "

"Canadians face longer wait times than their counterparts in other developed nations for emergency care, primary care, specialist consultations, and elective surgery."

“Free” Canadian Health Care At $12,000 Per Family"

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/free-canadian-health-care-costs-12000-per-family/#sthash.bnnWSHNP.dpbs

"Between 2005 and 2015, the cost of health care for the average Canadian family (all family types) increased by 48.5 per cent, dwarfing increases in income (30.8 per cent), shelter (35.9 per cent) and food (18.2 per cent)."

Canadian healthcare is perhaps not the best example to use for comparison.
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DengekiFugu wrote:



'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-esmail/canada-free-health-care_b_3733080.html

"Canada's health care system is the developed world's most expensive universal-access health care program after adjusting for the age of the population . . . "

"Canadians face longer wait times than their counterparts in other developed nations for emergency care, primary care, specialist consultations, and elective surgery."

“Free” Canadian Health Care At $12,000 Per Family"

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/free-canadian-health-care-costs-12000-per-family/#sthash.bnnWSHNP.dpbs

"Between 2005 and 2015, the cost of health care for the average Canadian family (all family types) increased by 48.5 per cent, dwarfing increases in income (30.8 per cent), shelter (35.9 per cent) and food (18.2 per cent)."

Canadian healthcare is perhaps not the best example to use for comparison.


Of course your lazy and sorry behind is going to ignore those kind of fees only affect families earning more then a 100 k a year in net adjusted income. For those earning less Canadian healthcare is a paragon compared to anything the Yanks can offer.
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Of course your lazy and sorry behind is going to ignore those kind of fees only affect families earning more then a 100 k a year in net adjusted income. For those earning less Canadian healthcare is a paragon compared to anything the Yanks can offer.


Cripes, the second article even makes sure to address Americans about to leap to the wrong conclusion too.
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The only thing I would be concerned with moving to a healthcare platform like Canada has is keeping my doctors and the coverage I can get. Right now I am paying for coverage through my hospital.

To go into some detail I mean that I was diagnose with scoliosis when I was two, had three surgeries by the time I was 5, the final ones being to fuse my spine and put in some supporting rods. Last year I had the upper portion of rods removed due to them being old and some hooks slipping, but my main point is that I have had the same group of doctors and surgeons my entire life. It is also helpful that I live close to the hospital that specializes in spinal stuff.

I have not fully researched universal healthcare platforms, but the above would be my concerns and if I could keep my doctors and hospital without having to jump through too many loops and pay up the butt for it I would be happy.
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I think Theodore Roosevelt had a decent idea in the same vein as Orwellian thought. There really is no difference between a controlling big brother government around extreme socialism or "social good", and the rise of big corporations from rampant and uncontrolled capitalism digging their hands into all branches of Government.

Orwell protested that a Robber Baron's were a somewhat better alternative than one existing for the goods of it victims, but I am not so sure, and at this point, I do not care that much. An evil is still an evil.
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"My premium is 75 dollars a month and that's only because I make more then 42 k a year in adjusted net income . . ."


From the article: "A single individual earning $42,244 can expect to pay $4,222."

That's $352/month for an individual. Are you also supporting 3 dependents on $42k? That's the only way your $75/month claim can be remotely truthful.
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I love how easy it is to trigger you.

What with your rampant, contradicting-self-in-same-paragraph racial supremacist views, your small-dog-syndrome nationalism (it's cute that you think canada has any greater significance to the world at large), and your need to shamelessly self-promote your own self-assured baddassness.

I suspect you are a deeply insecure individual.


Mate I don't know what I have to do or say to prove to you to show I care little for Canada . Just cause I bore it's flag into Afghanistan doesn't mean I give a damn about it's wish washy way of doing things. And if you mistake my pride about what I have accomplished as pride in my nation you truly know nothing about me and know nothing about Canada to boot.

Just cause I dislike anything about the way your homeland does anything does not mean I automatically love anything about Canada . Frankly it's a lazy attitude on your part to assume otherwise.

I and tens of thousands of others may wear the uniform of our country , but don't you dare mistake us for patriots. We're simply men and women doing what has to be done. But whom am I kidding it's your lazy and worthless mind I am talking to.


Please, don't make me laugh harder; I can hardly breathe as is.

*I* am not the one that opened with a blanket insult to the intelligence of an entire nationality. YOU are. I simply pointed out (in parody of your own insulting language) that your smug nationalistically arrogant swipe was predicated on a failure to acknowledge that the Canadian healthcare system IS NOT FREE, and is in fact paid directly from your taxes (and that therefore your "low premiums" are irrelevant. Canada pays almost 50% more in taxes, by GDP, than does the US. Simple fact).

Seriously, in the last 24 hours alone, you have managed to:

1) Mock all whites for ostensibly using racial identity for supremacist ideologies, yet within an hour brag about how superior "your people" are at warfare to everyone else in Canada (and brag that whites in the 17th century were being killed left and right by "tomahawks to the back of the head", as though native American tribes were somehow martially superior... news flash, indoeuropeans and Chinese were at least three millenia ahead of mesoamerica in military technology, and the amount of europeans killed in the Americas in the 17th C were a footnote compared to the thirty years' war in the same century)

2) Fail to understand why caucasians are called "caucasians", yet a couple hours later pseudo-intellectually chastize someone about how slavs are not genetically distinct from Germans (which is factually incorrect, incidentally)

3) Repeatedly insult all Americans as (ostensibly) stupid, and then turn around and claim that you are not nationalist, and that anyone who points out your nationalist retardation is somehow "lazy and stupid".

4) Mock a Serbian for his making a self-deprecating joke about his people being good at fighting (which they, objectively, ARE; having a long history of warfare throughout centuries, primarily with the Ottoman empire, which understandably leads to a *culture* wherein valor in warfare is culturally applauded and promoted), and in practically the same breath pat your own racial group on the metaphorical back about what great warriors they are.

Seriously, I think you have a deep-seated craving for approval. The way you rabidly promote fringe ideology and appear to latch onto the latest "cool trend" of mocking whoever is fashionable to mock at the time, while never actually providing any basis for your alleged convictions makes me think that you are just desperately casting about for "likes". Holy shit, I mean, you constantly brag about how much a badass soldier you allegedly are, and constantly bag on the US in explicitly nationalistic terms, but when called out, claim that you're not a nationalist, because... I guess just because you're trying SO hard to be "edgy"? And the fact that you feel the need to brag about your wages. Wow. With the shit demeanor you have, I would be frankly surprised if you EVER were promoted beyond corporal, if you even *are* in a military service.

I would not be surprised to find that you are, in fact, some 15-year-old Call of Duty twat sat in mum's basement engaged in self-aggrandizing power fantasies.
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Orwell protested that a Robber Baron's were a somewhat better alternative than one existing for the goods of it victims, but I am not so sure, and at this point, I do not care that much. An evil is still an evil.


Pretty sure the quote you appear to be referencing is from CS Lewis, not Orwell.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33029.html
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Dunno. I'm getting $750 a month for insurance now, even though my premium is only $150 a month (was $418 until ACA). So either way, I'm covered. I'm using ACA at the moment since it's cheaper than not using it. Companies will probably leave ACA the moment the GOP decides to go whole hog with the ACHA.


Geez every time I hear this I wonder why you Yanks put up with all this healthcare nonsense. My premium is 75 dollars a month and that's only because I make more then 42 k a year in adjusted net income which is the cut off point for reduced premiums. Hell low income households pay squat in premiums.


Ah you silly little Americans will never get it will you?


You pay plenty for your health care, canuck. You just don't see it because it's been cleverly hidden in you exorbitant taxes, instead of being direct payments to a healthcare insurer.

Cut your smug nationalism.


You ever hear the term "There is no such thing as a free lunch" chuckle head you are part of a society if the society decides that everyone should get healthcare and should cover it guess what you pay for it in taxes. See the whole belief that low taxes makes everyone better off is bullshit and has been for decades now since it was first proposed by Andrew Melon it didn't work in the 1930's it sure as hell hasn't worked now.

Oh before you go off saying it will look at Kansas which did all the magic tax cuts and see how they are doing and then look at California which did the exact opposite. Which states economy is growing and which state economy is failing here is a hint is isn't the one with high taxes.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Orwell protested that a Robber Baron's were a somewhat better alternative than one existing for the goods of it victims, but I am not so sure, and at this point, I do not care that much. An evil is still an evil.


Pretty sure the quote you appear to be referencing is from CS Lewis, not Orwell.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33029.html


Wow, I associated that quote with Orwell for the longest time, and I even went to the Goodreads quote page to make sure it was right.
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Thankful i was never under forced health care! My rates are the same thru my employer.
watching obama-care unravel..
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No they don't and as far as i care that is how it should be everyone working together in a society towards a common good. As for that being a Rand quote it originally comes from Heinlein "Moon is a Hard Mistress."In which he is attempting to make the same point I am which is those that have help those that have not everyone get ahead that way. The right has always miss used that line since they don't understand how it applies to people and society.
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Thankful i was never under forced health care! My rates are the same thru my employer.
watching obama-care unravel..


Right up until your health insurance rate get jacked again and your employer decreases the amount they put towards it. Oh this is what was happening before Obamacare I stated this earlier rates were going up by double digits before Obamacare insurance was going to become unaffordable for everyone and employer were already pushing to cost off onto the employee.

So how long do you think you can keep your insurance if the rates increase by say 30 to 40 percent over the next ten years? This wasn't uncommon back then it was normal depending on your state you could see rate increase as high as 100 percent.
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No they don't and as far as i care that is how it should be everyone working together in a society towards a common good. As for that being a Rand quote it originally comes from Heinlein "Moon is a Hard Mistress."In which he is attempting to make the same point I am which is those that have help those that have not everyone get ahead that way. The right has always miss used that line since they don't understand how it applies to people and society.


I never said anything about it being from Ayn Rand. It is HARSH mistress, and oh the irony: TANSTAAFL in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress had nothing to do with socialistic "sharing" and everything to do with the fact that everything in life has a cost even if not immediately visible (and was further expanded to mean that a person is responsible for earning their way through life).

Harsh Mistress was a parable about the US war of independence, and had central themes of individual liberty and personal responsibility for ones own actions, as told through the rugged independent inhabitants of a lunar penal colony.

It is literally as far from socialist themes of "share and share alike" as is physically possible
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thank god I live here in Finland. I don't need to pay 4 000 euros if I'm in the hospital for 3 days.
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