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Humans are the very definition of illogical. We put our lives at risk for a cheap thrill or just because we are bored. .



Man has a point. I've done a lot of things in my life most people would think stupid and or impossible. And I am only 29, yet the sheer amount of stuff I am capable is mind boggling. And I have decades left to live and develop. As do we all. Limitations are for the weak and idiotic.
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You can update your brains structure


*brain's



if your willing to.


*you're

We all have limits.


You just have to be willing to suffer massive headaches


Seriously?

This is not normal. See a doctor. Like, soon.
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cdarklock wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

You can update your brains structure


*brain's



if your willing to.


*you're

We all have limits.


You just have to be willing to suffer massive headaches


Seriously?

This is not normal. See a doctor. Like, soon.


Someone is bored.

So your saying you've never tried to understand an insanely difficult concept for your brain to comprehend to the point where your head starts to over heat and eventually you need to take a nap? If you haven't then you have never really tried to comprehend something.
Posted 5/12/17 , edited 5/12/17

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Even if we could do this, measuring raw brain power doesn't tell you much about how good someone will be at a job...


this
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Ranwolf wrote:


Rujikin wrote:



Humans are the very definition of illogical. We put our lives at risk for a cheap thrill or just because we are bored. .



Man has a point. I've done a lot of things in my life most people would think stupid and or impossible. And I am only 29, yet the sheer amount of stuff I am capable is mind boggling. And I have decades left to live and develop. As do we all. Limitations are for the weak and idiotic.


But everything "illogical" you have done follow a set of logic called Human behaviour and psychology.
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Rujikin wrote:


cdarklock wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

You can update your brains structure


*brain's



if your willing to.


*you're

We all have limits.


You just have to be willing to suffer massive headaches


Seriously?

This is not normal. See a doctor. Like, soon.


Someone is bored.

So your saying you've never tried to understand an insanely difficult concept for your brain to comprehend to the point where your head starts to over heat and eventually you need to take a nap? If you haven't then you have never really tried to comprehend something.


Everyone has and it doesn't mean shit.
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Once you've reached adulthood and your brain is fully developed, I don't think you can improve your intelligence anymore. At that point all you can do is improve your knowledge through rote memorization and develop new skills through muscle memory.

Sure you could score better on IQ tests by practicing taking IQ tests, but again that's just another example of rote memorization and muscle memory. I don't think it proves you're actually getting smarter than you were beforehand.

A person's capacity for raw intelligence, meaning how quickly they can learn things and grasp new concepts, is heavily influenced by genetics.


No lol. Here are some things you can do to raise your IQ without practicing taking IQ tests.
1.Train yourself to automatically associate numbers and letters with colors in your head. Acquired grapheme-color synesthetes show an average IQ increase of 12 and not for any specific subset. People with grapheme-color synesthesia also have higher average IQs in general.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/cubed/future-technology/synaethesis-boost-memory
2.Dual-N-Back training. It trains your working memory capacity- 10~20 points assuming 20min per day for 4 weeks
3.Get someone to pay you somewhere over 10 bucks for if you score high. Psychologists will usually tell you to try your best while testing but people don't usually do so. This will psychologically affect you to try harder- average increase in 20 points
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2011/04/26/iq-scores-reflect-motivation-as-well-as-intelligence/

These increases are usually observed separately so don't be surprised if the scaling for IQ increases gets thinner as you stack up on strategies.


Besides, for the past generation, people in developed countries have been gaining increasingly higher average IQs. Raven's Progressive Matrices have aided in showing that since 1930, we have gained on average 9 IQ points in crystallized intelligence(verbal intelligence,knowledge) and 15 IQ points for fluid intelligence(non-verbal intelligence,ability to think through novel situations). You would think only our crystallized intelligence would develop due to the internet but not really. This quite heavily suggests that IQ is influenced by our increase in education and health. An increase of 24 points as well as the population of 3% of people taking brainy jobs improving into 35% of people in less than a century is too fast to be explained by evolution.

Moreover, IQ does not measure the entirety of intelligence anyways. Professionals call intelligence "G". IQ is a psychometric that tries to find correlations to life results to indirectly measure G. IQ does not explain autistic skills for example.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/where-do-savant-skills-come-from/
With NP's digit span score of 5, you would expect him to have bad short term memory with a small margin of error but he goes far beyond that in what he does.

Moreover, Lewis Terman's genius study monitored 1600 people with an IQ of over 140 with 77 of them exceeding 170(!!). Did any of them change America like what Lewis and his peers thought in the day? Not really, none of them got anywhere close to becoming a Nobel laureate yet 2 people who were rejected due to having IQs that were below 130(William Shockley and Luis Alvarez) won the Nobel prize in physics. The Termites' pay from their jobs were good, but not that good. This could be predicted from their socioeconomic status anyways since most of them were white males from mid~mid-high class families.
https://soundcloud.com/scott-barry-kaufman/science-fantastic-professor

Heck, Marilyn Vos Savant is an intellectual with an IQ of 186 who is a scholar on intelligence and has a website of her own about intelligence yet she states that while some facets of intelligence can be measured, intelligence as a whole have so many factors that all attempts to measure it are useless.

As I believe, how can we decide that intelligence does not improve if we cannot even define intelligence?
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iofhua wrote:

Once you've reached adulthood and your brain is fully developed, I don't think you can improve your intelligence anymore. At that point all you can do is improve your knowledge through rote memorization and develop new skills through muscle memory.

Sure you could score better on IQ tests by practicing taking IQ tests, but again that's just another example of rote memorization and muscle memory. I don't think it proves you're actually getting smarter than you were beforehand.

A person's capacity for raw intelligence, meaning how quickly they can learn things and grasp new concepts, is heavily influenced by genetics.


No lol. Here are some things you can do to raise your IQ without practicing taking IQ tests.
1.Train yourself to automatically associate numbers and letters with colors in your head. Acquired grapheme-color synesthetes show an average IQ increase of 12 and not for any specific subset. People with grapheme-color synesthesia also have higher average IQs in general.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/cubed/future-technology/synaethesis-boost-memory
2.Dual-N-Back training. It trains your working memory capacity- 10~20 points assuming 20min per day for 4 weeks
3.Get someone to pay you somewhere over 10 bucks for if you score high. Psychologists will usually tell you to try your best while testing but people don't usually do so. This will psychologically affect you to try harder- average increase in 20 points
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2011/04/26/iq-scores-reflect-motivation-as-well-as-intelligence/

These increases are usually observed separately so don't be surprised if the scaling for IQ increases gets thinner as you stack up on strategies.


Besides, for the past generation, people in developed countries have been gaining increasingly higher average IQs. Raven's Progressive Matrices have aided in showing that since 1930, we have gained on average 9 IQ points in crystallized intelligence(verbal intelligence,knowledge) and 15 IQ points for fluid intelligence(non-verbal intelligence,ability to think through novel situations). You would think only our crystallized intelligence would develop due to the internet but not really. This quite heavily suggests that IQ is influenced by our increase in education and health. An increase of 24 points as well as the population of 3% of people taking brainy jobs improving into 35% of people in less than a century is too fast to be explained by evolution.

Moreover, IQ does not measure the entirety of intelligence anyways. Professionals call intelligence "G". IQ is a psychometric that tries to find correlations to life results to indirectly measure G. IQ does not explain autistic skills for example.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/where-do-savant-skills-come-from/
With NP's digit span score of 5, you would expect him to have bad short term memory with a small margin of error but he goes far beyond that in what he does.

Moreover, Lewis Terman's genius study monitored 1600 people with an IQ of over 140 with 77 of them exceeding 170(!!). Did any of them change America like what Lewis and his peers thought in the day? Not really, none of them got anywhere close to becoming a Nobel laureate yet 2 people who were rejected due to having IQs that were below 130(William Shockley and Luis Alvarez) won the Nobel prize in physics. The Termites' pay from their jobs were good, but not that good. This could be predicted from their socioeconomic status anyways since most of them were white males from mid~mid-high class families.
https://soundcloud.com/scott-barry-kaufman/science-fantastic-professor

Heck, Marilyn Vos Savant is an intellectual with an IQ of 186 who is a scholar on intelligence and has a website of her own about intelligence yet she states that while some facets of intelligence can be measured, intelligence as a whole have so many factors that all attempts to measure it are useless.

As I believe, how can we decide that intelligence does not improve if we cannot even define intelligence?



Yes you can raise youjr intelligence but your utmost potential won't change unless you change your brain itself everything is in the brain your limits of intelligence/IQ in the end are up to your brain.

You can train your brain and develop it but that's just reinforcing what is already there you can't create something out of nothing intelligence/IQ has a cost in the sense of brain connections/tissue

The reason people improve so much is most people never reach their actual limits which makes sense.
You are both right.

In the end we all have limits that we cannot change we have to accept them and work around them thats how we progress but as i said earlier most people never reach those limits.

Our measuring of intelligence right now though is quite primitive i would argue intelligence does improve but it has limits because if it didn't that would mean somehow getting around the brains physical limitations.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


RedExodus wrote:


iofhua wrote:

Once you've reached adulthood and your brain is fully developed, I don't think you can improve your intelligence anymore. At that point all you can do is improve your knowledge through rote memorization and develop new skills through muscle memory.

Sure you could score better on IQ tests by practicing taking IQ tests, but again that's just another example of rote memorization and muscle memory. I don't think it proves you're actually getting smarter than you were beforehand.

A person's capacity for raw intelligence, meaning how quickly they can learn things and grasp new concepts, is heavily influenced by genetics.


No lol. Here are some things you can do to raise your IQ without practicing taking IQ tests.
1.Train yourself to automatically associate numbers and letters with colors in your head. Acquired grapheme-color synesthetes show an average IQ increase of 12 and not for any specific subset. People with grapheme-color synesthesia also have higher average IQs in general.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/cubed/future-technology/synaethesis-boost-memory
2.Dual-N-Back training. It trains your working memory capacity- 10~20 points assuming 20min per day for 4 weeks
3.Get someone to pay you somewhere over 10 bucks for if you score high. Psychologists will usually tell you to try your best while testing but people don't usually do so. This will psychologically affect you to try harder- average increase in 20 points
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2011/04/26/iq-scores-reflect-motivation-as-well-as-intelligence/

These increases are usually observed separately so don't be surprised if the scaling for IQ increases gets thinner as you stack up on strategies.


Besides, for the past generation, people in developed countries have been gaining increasingly higher average IQs. Raven's Progressive Matrices have aided in showing that since 1930, we have gained on average 9 IQ points in crystallized intelligence(verbal intelligence,knowledge) and 15 IQ points for fluid intelligence(non-verbal intelligence,ability to think through novel situations). You would think only our crystallized intelligence would develop due to the internet but not really. This quite heavily suggests that IQ is influenced by our increase in education and health. An increase of 24 points as well as the population of 3% of people taking brainy jobs improving into 35% of people in less than a century is too fast to be explained by evolution.

Moreover, IQ does not measure the entirety of intelligence anyways. Professionals call intelligence "G". IQ is a psychometric that tries to find correlations to life results to indirectly measure G. IQ does not explain autistic skills for example.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/where-do-savant-skills-come-from/
With NP's digit span score of 5, you would expect him to have bad short term memory with a small margin of error but he goes far beyond that in what he does.

Moreover, Lewis Terman's genius study monitored 1600 people with an IQ of over 140 with 77 of them exceeding 170(!!). Did any of them change America like what Lewis and his peers thought in the day? Not really, none of them got anywhere close to becoming a Nobel laureate yet 2 people who were rejected due to having IQs that were below 130(William Shockley and Luis Alvarez) won the Nobel prize in physics. The Termites' pay from their jobs were good, but not that good. This could be predicted from their socioeconomic status anyways since most of them were white males from mid~mid-high class families.
https://soundcloud.com/scott-barry-kaufman/science-fantastic-professor

Heck, Marilyn Vos Savant is an intellectual with an IQ of 186 who is a scholar on intelligence and has a website of her own about intelligence yet she states that while some facets of intelligence can be measured, intelligence as a whole have so many factors that all attempts to measure it are useless.

As I believe, how can we decide that intelligence does not improve if we cannot even define intelligence?



Yes you can raise youjr intelligence but your utmost potential won't change unless you change your brain itself everything is in the brain your limits of intelligence/IQ in the end are up to your brain.

You can train your brain and develop it but that's just reinforcing what is already there you can't create something out of nothing intelligence/IQ has a cost in the sense of brain connections/tissue

The reason people improve so much is most people never reach their actual limits which makes sense.
You are both right.

In the end we all have limits that we cannot change we have to accept them and work around them thats how we progress but as i said earlier most people never reach those limits.

Our measuring of intelligence right now though is quite primitive I would argue intelligence does improve but it has limits because if it didn't that would mean somehow getting around the brains physical limitations.

Well I'm not arguing against the physical limits of intelligence but I don't think people know where the limits actually are. For all we know, no man in the history of earth has reached even 0.001% of his limits and so a regular person can theoretically surpass what Einstein has done even if it is at a probability of 0.000000001% as long as he reaches near his limit.

When coming up with the special theory of relavity, he was racing Henri Poincare to see who could come up with it first and they actually finished at around the same time. They had a little spat about who did it first and Henri gave Einstein the win... 'cuz Einstein worked harder...(quoted from Michio Kaku, a well known physicist who did a biography on Einstein)
The thing is, Henri took an IQ test since he lives in France where the test was developed and he got a score of a moron. So he got a low-ass score and he still tied Einstein despite not working as hard. Not looking good for Einstein. When you think of someone who hit his limits, you'd expect him to excel in every area but Henri clearly has areas in which he has not reached his potential(IQ).

The limits would be palpable if it was at least domain specific though like for a specific sport as an S-shaped learning curve is observed for many disciplines but intelligence is too expansive.
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Well I'm not arguing against the physical limits of intelligence but I don't think people know where the limits actually are. For all we know, no man in the history of earth has reached even 0.001% of his limits and so a regular person can theoretically surpass what Einstein has done even if it is at a probability of 0.000000001% as long as he reaches near his limit.

When coming up with the special theory of relavity, he was racing Henri Poincare to see who could come up with it first and they actually finished at around the same time. They had a little spat about who did it first and Henri gave Einstein the win... 'cuz Einstein worked harder...(quoted from Michio Kaku, a well known physicist who did a biography on Einstein)
The thing is, Henri took an IQ test since he lives in France where the test was developed and he got a score of a moron. So he got a low-ass score and he still tied Einstein despite not working as hard. Not looking good for Einstein. When you think of someone who hit his limits, you'd expect him to excel in every area but Henri clearly has areas in which he has not reached his potential(IQ).

The limits would be palpable if it was at least domain specific though like for a specific sport as an S-shaped learning curve is observed for many disciplines but intelligence is too expansive.




Well i would think we have reached our limits in some people because many people study all their lives and never become as smart or anywhere near albert einstein although that could be said it's because of their unique speed of learning.

I do agree with you fully though i just wanted to make sure you knew there was limits because alot of people on cr lately have been spreading this "human can learn infinitely" shit which has so many flaws that i don't know where to begin.
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There are so many things wrong with this topic.

Intelligence is limited, demonstrative proof of this can be found in learning disorders and disorders of intelligence. If you're human (which you all are), then you have biological limitations determined by your genetic predisposition--unique to any other individual. Not everyone progresses or learns subjects at the same rates and not everyone can solve cognitive problems at the same level. If I had 50 children confined to the same environment, some children are still bound to be at the top and others at the bottom depending on the subject and process being utilized. Personally, I have deficits in communication, that entails other processes will attempt to compensate--some will, others won't. Some individuals are able to compensate better for deficits than others. Some of you seem to think that the human brain has no limits, but I am assured that none of you have the 'cure' to autism or other neurological conditions because brain plasticity is limited. Neuroplasticity, additionally, is extremely less subject to change as one ages beyond the early developmental period. Not everyone is capable of being a respected engineer--apologies in bursting your "humans are born of equal potential" childhood fairy tale. You have limits, hard work has limits--no human is limitless. Additionally, the whole concept that humans have the same cognitive limitations is laughable--you're not born equal. You're not the same as the person standing next to you. The world is both unfair and deliciously diverse in its offerings.

That being said, just because humans have limitations doesn't mean we have a good way of measuring such matters--or defining it. Intelligence is not strictly defined by structure, size, or appearance--certainly. Brain scans, intelligence tests--all are rigged with bias and predisposed ideas as to how to define intelligence.

So know this: You are not limitless, but your potential cannot be measured--it is up to individuals to discover what they are capable of...only effort can do that--not a test, textbook or a definition.

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Well, as someone have mentioned, not every two people have the same memory and therefore making most people's brain structure unique, brain structure = memory. So what does it mean to have a similar brain structure? Maybe our personality and experience is similar. From the historic day to the present day for a similar brain but even our lives differ. It's an if else statement, if I earn enough money, and I am not a scrooge, I would buy a car. If I earn enough money, but I am a scrooge, I would not buy a car. Check how the brain processes and attempts to predict the next action. With all these factors in mind, getting an ideal job could be pretty easy , also need to take into social interaction, dad does not want me to get a car, dad wants me to get a car. And if you fall under all these categories, that makes you a pigeon, any attempt of not becoming a pigeon makes you a pigeon, so


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRl2ZM-YguE
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Rujikin wrote:

So your saying


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You do understand that your consistent failure to use possessives correctly is a credibility issue, right?


you've never tried to understand an insanely difficult concept for your brain to comprehend to the point where your head starts to over heat and eventually you need to take a nap?


That's not what "suffer massive headaches" means. So, you know, more credibility down the toilet.

Also, no. That's never happened to me.


If you haven't then you have never really tried to comprehend something.


Maybe the subjects you find "insanely difficult" are just honestly not that hard to other people.

I mean, apostrophes aren't exactly rocket surgery.
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