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Posted 5/13/17 , edited 5/13/17

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again, I wasn't comparing towhat happens in America to what happens anywhere else, kindly stop


I was explaining the thought process behind what possibly led Quweri to such a conclusion, and I believe you when you said that was not your intent. The thought process being that it is reasonable to conclude that a presentation of two or more conclusions and claims by the same person is done with the intention to establish some sort of link, otherwise the person stating them would not have a reason to mention what can be considered two or more different topics, claims, and such. The links can be causal, comparison, etc.

I do not think it is an illogical thing to assume a person presenting two facts in the same post as being related in some way, and that people should be more mindful of whatever links they hope to draw between two facts, examples, etc. That being said, I believe Qwueri is being a bit too vicious, and that is precisely why I stated the first sentence on easing his tone and aggression. You may have made a mistake, so what? You should not be lynched and hanged out to dry.

I think we should calm down and watch anime, collect our thoughts, stuff like that.

I did not mean to attack you, rather it was a decrying moment against Qwueri, although I try to understand his side as well, and came to the conclusion it is logical to assume you did mean to draw some sort of link concerning persecution of Christians, even if said claim is not correct or accurate of your intentions.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I was explaining the thought process behind what possibly led Quweri to such a conclusion, and I believe you when you said that was not your intent. The thought process being that it is reasonable to conclude that a presentation of two or more conclusions and claims by the same person is done with the intention to establish some sort of link, otherwise the person stating them would not have a reason to mention what can be considered two or more different topics, claims, and such. The links can be causal, comparison, etc.

I do not think it is an illogical thing to assume a person presenting two facts in the same post as being related in some way, and that people should be more mindful of whatever links they hope to draw between two facts, examples, etc. That being said, I believe Qwueri is being a bit too vicious, and that is precisely why I stated the first sentence on easing his tone and aggression. You may have made a mistake, so what? You should not be lynched and hanged out to dry.

I think we should calm down and watch anime, collect our thoughts, stuff like that.



oops I reported this as a double post just as u deleted the other one

but yea, I basically get verbally lynched now a days even when I try to say whatthey are saying or think I said is nt what I said or was doing, but ppl will believe what they want to
also thank you
edit: like I said all the guy said was we shouldn't have to atone for ourancestors sins nd that's why I brought up whites, fr slavery, and Christians for hundreds of years ago,i made 2 separate examples , I wasn't comparing it to what happens elsewhere
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non believers have dark hearts they like to spew hate
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non believers have dark hearts they like to spew hate


Er? Are we turning this around on Atheists all of a sudden?
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non believers have dark hearts they like to spew hate


Agreed! they should all be rounded up and flailed with whips, spank them with some paddles while verbally berating them, maybe rub some dirt on them or something
*shivers with excitement*
errr, umm, yeah hallelujah praise Jesus! Damn sexual deviants!
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non believers have dark hearts they like to spew hate


Infidels amirite?
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veggy, its sad to say but they wont listen, they alwayssay we Christians have had a bad past but unlike countries where muslim faith is majority, we stopped but people wont admit that and they wont admit they have been doing this for hundreds of years


I find it really sad too, that so many people can't seem to differentiate between the two - there's a very clear difference between one instance of violence, and the other. Motive is at the core - and I only know of one religion whose holy book tells the believers to kill, even if they don't want to "because they don't know what's actually good for them" - so much of the Quran is so absurd it blows my mind that Islam has the followers it does... Even if it were my own mother trying to convince me to kill someone because they don't believe the same thing as I do, I would question it.

I'm sure the fact that they're under threat of death should they question anything written by Muhammad has something to do with it.

Well, I'll just be satisfied the day that I get a group of people to recognize that "Muslim" is not a "race" - that one is lost on most of them too.

I have respect for the Christian faith because at it's very core, it is about morality. All of Christianity revolves around morality, and without that a society falls to pieces. Moral ambiguity has ruined many a people, and it never leads to any good - I'm defo glad that I was raised with a strong set of morals... and is why I'll always gravitate towards the Christians... The Quran may have lines about morality too - but further down the page they have crap about killing people and all that, so it's kinda negated... you don't really get to have both...
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redokami wrote:
veggy, its sad to say but they wont listen, they alwayssay we Christians have had a bad past but unlike countries where muslim faith is majority, we stopped but people wont admit that and they wont admit they have been doing this for hundreds of years


I find it really sad too, that so many people can't seem to differentiate between the two - there's a very clear difference between one instance of violence, and the other. Motive is at the core - and I only know of one religion whose holy book tells the believers to kill, even if they don't want to "because they don't know what's actually good for them" - so much of the Quran is so absurd it blows my mind that Islam has the followers it does... Even if it were my own mother trying to convince me to kill someone because they don't believe the same thing as I do, I would question it.

I'm sure the fact that they're under threat of death should they question anything written by Muhammad has something to do with it.

Well, I'll just be satisfied the day that I get a group of people to recognize that "Muslim" is not a "race" - that one is lost on most of them too.

I have respect for the Christian faith because at it's very core, it is about morality. All of Christianity revolves around morality, and without that a society falls to pieces. Moral ambiguity has ruined many a people, and it never leads to any good - I'm defo glad that I was raised with a strong set of morals... and is why I'll always gravitate towards the Christians... The Quran may have lines about morality too - but further down the page they have crap about killing people and all that, so it's kinda negated... you don't really get to have both...


Morality is subjective, or at least I believe it is. I do agree that a strong set of principles should govern any life, though the concept of attributing a morals from being derived from a higher power in a way God is typically portrayed (A sentient being), is worrisome. What if followers of Islam are right, and God is such an asshole who may damn us to hell if we do not kill infidels?

I think it ties into the fact that most who grew up in those regions simply do not know better, fostered in a culture of violence with the Qu'ran front and center. It seems odd so many people grew up with such strange ideas, but I think it is brought on the the preceding generations; quite simply, people have not grown beyond the beliefs of their parents, and generally most never do.

I think there is some hope, possibly. I do not find any religion thus far to be that of inherently "violent", in a way that not every general idea or belief will affect everyone the same way, to the same action, even explicit commands, which is called a "fundamentalist" interpretation versus a "nonliteral" one, especially towards a fictional history.

It seems strange to me, but I came to the conclusion that religion is malleable enough to survive any new ideas. We have Christians scientists, historians, etc, and I hope Islam is generally no different from this rule of societal malleability. It does seem to be, but the adherence is quite strict compared to many others.

Maybe I am just hopeful, but I feel that for this reason, that no idea is inherently predisposed to violent action to the point of 100%, like mind control or hypnosis, which is why I am against the idea of a banning of an idea or religion. Regions may be permissible, but I feel Trump does not have a real idea on how stringent our existing checks are.
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MysteryMiss wrote:
non believers have dark hearts they like to spew hate


Er? Are we turning this around on Atheists all of a sudden?


> what did i trigger you
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just thought i would debunk two major things in this thread; that ISIS all about going after Christians, and that there are no modern Christian terrorist groups.

ISIS targets Muslims. a lot. includes a link to a UN report.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll

there are plenty of modern Christian terrorist groups. here are 6.
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner/

the FBI identifies right-wing extremists as the biggest threat to the US. they generally all identify as Christian.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html

my point is not to demonize Christians or Muslims. There are billions of Christians and billions of Muslims in the world. the vast majority of both groups are just ordinary people like you and me working ordinary jobs, with kids and grandparents, just trying to live their lives in peace. identify violent extremists as what they are: a dangerous fringe element that are just as likely to target moderates in their own religion as anyone.
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MysteryMiss wrote:
> what did i trigger you


I simply asked a question as you made a statement out of left field.

No need to be childish about it.





Posted 5/14/17

MasterBismuth33 wrote:


MysteryMiss wrote:


runec wrote:


MysteryMiss wrote:
non believers have dark hearts they like to spew hate


Er? Are we turning this around on Atheists all of a sudden?


> what did i trigger you


You did. Atheist tend to get offended or triggered everytime you mention God. It's a weakness.



>> I agree any mention of God and they become triggered all i have to do is scroll thru this thread reading the comments
and see how upset a few have become.

>>What i dislike the most is how others compare the koran to the bible or muslim to christian?
they are way off base i wonder how many actual read the bible and got it.
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