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Posted 5/13/17 , edited 5/13/17
so, the New York Times had an article about animation streaming services, and for Crunchyroll... the author watched one episode of "Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor" and decided all anime was garbage.

I don't even know. Faith in the world? Respect for art?

Does he even realize there are almost 900 shows on Crunchyroll?

Since he obviously just picked the first alphabetical thing under "simulcasts", I can't help wondering what the article would have been like if it had been done two months earlier, and that had been ACCA.

Someone just... find that guy and force him to watch ACCA. Make him watch Mononoke or Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju or Scums Wish. They'd like that kind of stuff.

Make them watch shoujo. Any shoujo. Show them BL, tell them it exists. Yuri, too, for that matter.

Yuri on Ice, Attack on Titan, popular things we're all used to.... somehow completely ignored.

Just... that article made me angry. I just needed to say that.


So... here's my suggestion: Post one thing you like about anime - about a specific anime, about a specific artist, about anime in general, anything that falls under the general category of anime/otaku entertainment, that you think deserves appreciation.

Here's a few, just from what's right around my desk right now:

- CLAMP's illustrations - I have a SuzaLulu desktop background, the picture that they're teasing an upcoming figure of, and a notebook with a Cardcaptor Sakura picture on it.
- Lagrange Point. Both singers (Toshiyuki Toyonaga and Genki Okawa), the character designs, the songwriting. Shy is beautiful and he is my darling. If you haven't heard them ->> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMqmWyUax0w
- Chuncolle plushies. Anime boys as fluffy birds. http://lavendermintrose.tumblr.com/post/160498362442/i-preordered-all-of-these-i-am-going-to-have-a they're just too cute.


Just... some positivity, please.
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So, this made me curious about what is in the "other" world of entertainment, and tried out some "real" television for the first time in years. I watched 2 minutes of something called Honey boo-boo, and based on that, decided that everything on live TV is just garbage. Ho-hum, back to anime for me...
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Many anime are inspirational, tear-jerking, beautiful and can move a person. You just have to find that one anime that would speak to you and give you that. That person needs to understand not all anime is bad. He just happened to pick one that made him think and feel like so. Actually, what I said earlier applies to all kind of media. I haven't read the article you speak off but even I'm pissed off.

Some good things about anime? I know a lot of wonderful songs that are anisongs, I love the art of many anime and have been inspired to draw because of them, there are shows that made me happy when I'm sad.

I was too shy to talk to anyone back when I was in school. After finding out some of my classmates watch anime, too, I had people to talk to and had fun. Best months of my whole school year.

People are inspired to be something because of anime/manga/games. Cosplayers in general have people learning how to sew, make crafts for props, sing, dance, act. There are also people who would be inspired by anime to draw and find their artistic talent, those who cover anisongs and find their singing talent and get appreciated. People around the world start to appreciate another culture...

If all anime are garbage, nothing good would have ever come out of watching it but here we all are! Not all of us came out bad and many have been helped by watching this so-called 'garbage'. If that person can't learn to look past his or her first impression, then their loss.
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I'm just bothered by the idea that a lot of people will read that article and believe what it says without trying it for themselves, and then judge people who like anime based on that.

Anime - meaning not just TV animation, but the whole anime/otaku entertainment sphere - is probably a lot more varied, interesting, and creative than any other medium nowadays.
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I dunno, this season is so bad overall they could have picked almost anything and got a bad impression of anime. Not to say there aren't any good currently airing shows but it's not the best time to dip your toe in and test the waters if you're not willing to dig a little.

That said, if you used the same methodology to try out any sort of media you're often going to come away with a bad impression. Pick one movie at random? Likely to be mediocre at best. Pick one TV show? Ditto. Heck, pick one random painting out and you're likely to find it lacking. It's not only quality but also the context in which you view it as well as how it connects with you personally. He could have watched Ghost in the Shell and walked away with a bad impression if what he was in the mood for, or what he was expecting, was something light and fluffy.

Anyway, just be glad he didn't end up watching the first episode of Eromanga Sensei.
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LavenderMintRose wrote:

I'm just bothered by the idea that a lot of people will read that article and believe what it says without trying it for themselves, and then judge people who like anime based on that.

Anime - meaning not just TV animation, but the whole anime/otaku entertainment sphere - is probably a lot more varied, interesting, and creative than any other medium nowadays.


I think many people are already doing that even before this article was made and will continue to do it even without the article's help which is sad. They would either think anime is for kids or anime is for perverts or violent people. Only a few could see some kind of middle ground and understand that anime is not exactly either of those extremes.

I guess all we otakus can do is help show everyone that anime and manga aren't all that bad.
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I propose we lynch him!



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LOL, thanks for reporting this to the moderators, I guess you don't have sense of humor...

Unbelievable.
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It's still bad journalism.

What they should do, if they want to make a fair review, is to ask someone - anyone, really - what they should try first.

It's not that hard. I have no idea why it didn't occur to them. Probably because they assumed it wasn't worth it.
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Funny, that's the only NYT article I've read and now I think they suck... not that I feel like they insulted my hobby, they just suck at research.

btw, I didn't actually read any article and this is purposefully full of hypocrisy...
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Posted 5/13/17

yumikikoharu wrote:


LavenderMintRose wrote:

I'm just bothered by the idea that a lot of people will read that article and believe what it says without trying it for themselves, and then judge people who like anime based on that.

Anime - meaning not just TV animation, but the whole anime/otaku entertainment sphere - is probably a lot more varied, interesting, and creative than any other medium nowadays.


I think many people are already doing that even before this article was made and will continue to do it even without the article's help which is sad. They would either think anime is for kids or anime is for perverts or violent people. Only a few could see some kind of middle ground and understand that anime is not exactly either of those extremes.

I guess all we otakus can do is help show everyone that anime and manga aren't all that bad.


Pretty much, yeah. Anime fans in general know that, yes, there is stuff out there that a lot of people will probably be offended by simply because we ourselves are not a hive mind and there's probably stuff out there that we don't like either. We all have our own tastes and preferences and can see just how broad anime actually is.

Whenever someone asks what anime they should show someone who isn't into or doesn't know about anime, it's always a tricky question to answer. The answer is really just the answer to "What sort of movies/TV shows/books/etc. do they like in general?" because anime really does cover that many bases. You can find good or even great anime in almost every category or genre. There may be a few standbys you are confident enough in to recommend to anyone but it's like someone asking you "What TV show and/or movie should I recommend to Person X?" That's just too broad of a question to really answer.

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if you think that article was bad, it's nothing compared to bbc's take on anime. they made a report that says anime is pretty much underage porn. no, i'm not making this up.

edit: NYTimes thinks (or at least strongly implies) that anime boils down to being either super perverted or downright gore. seems legit.

edit2: what makes bbc worse is that they actually showed visual images of lewd and very strongly implied what i said in my previous post.
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So write a letter to the editorial section as a rebuttal if you didn't like it.
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A quote at the end I laughed at.


And let it be said that the service knows its core demographic. I logged onto Crunchyroll on my PlayStation 4, and the menu is configured to work best not with that box’s universal remote but with a gaming controller.



Wow. Go fucking figure. The PS4 app is optimised to best work with the PS4 controller. Such prize journalism, here. I applaud them, for their top notch, perfectly in touch reporting.

Anyway, I skimmed through it, not really reading it, and honestly, I don't care. I don't want to say old journalism is dying, because I don't believe that to be true. I will, however, say that their audience is pretty clear. So few articles I read feel like they're aimed at the current generation, and from my extremely brief reading (brief to the point that I got no information from it) this feels like it's trying to educate an older generation to anime and such. I would bet that the average person under 25 would know a reasonable amount about anime, or at least enough to not consider it a scourge on society, or whatever.

I mean, most journalism outside of journalism specialising in "nerd" culture is so out of touch with it, that I couldn't give any less of a shit about their articles. It feels like they're a generation behind, and in trying to keep up they're just being lazy, and pushing out crap that pisses the communities off due to their inaccuracies, and just misinforms others who probably had little interest in those things in the first place.

If I haven't made it clear enough, I'm more or less done with most conventional news sources.
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Sad to say, I do not even consider Princess Mononoke to be "anime", at least within the culture typical of otakuness. Mononoke is more of a work of art without a real constraint brought on by the need to sell, whereas TV anime aims to sell, with a great deal of detriment to the value of the work.

This is why there is a huge distaff in quality between mobile games with cash shops, despite having no business in microtransactions, to works like To The Moon.

Anime is reminiscent of earlier western cartoons in the need to merchandise.

To clarify, I think Princess Mononoke is different, in that it is a film I can recommend to everyone who is a general oscar bait film aficionado; essentially someone who claims they like "well made" films, but it has less to do with the quality of anime as a whole, and more on the quality of the work itself, especially by Hayao Miyazaki. I just do not think works like Mononoke are in anyway indicative of the current Japanese subculture of anime, not by a longshot, nor in the past, or anything else.

I think it is a bad suggestion as a work of anime, instead of a foreign film you just thought was well made.
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