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Since he obviously just picked the first alphabetical thing under "simulcasts", I can't help wondering what the article would have been like if it had been done two months earlier, and that had been ACCA.


Can't really fault the author for picking Akashic Records. It's the #2 most steamed in Japan this season. Should say that's fairly representative? https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/862700939353792513?s=03
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Sad to say, I do not even consider Princess Mononoke to be "anime", at least within the culture typical of otakuness. Mononoke is more of a work of art without a real constraint brought on by the need to sell, whereas TV anime aims to sell, with a great deal of detriment to the value of the work.

This is why there is a huge distaff in quality between mobile games with cash shops, despite having no business in microtransactions, to works like To The Moon.

Anime is reminiscent of earlier western cartoons in the need to merchandise.

To clarify, I think Princess Mononoke is different, in that it is a film I can recommend to everyone who is a general oscar bait film aficionado; essentially someone who claims they like "well made" films, but it has less to do with the quality of anime as a whole, and more on the quality of the work itself, especially by Hayao Miyazaki. I just do not think works like Mononoke are in anyway indicative of the current Japanese subculture of anime, not by a longshot, nor in the past, or anything else.

I think it is a bad suggestion as a work of anime, instead of a foreign film you just thought was well made.


I was actually referring to /mononoke, which is actually even less like otaku anime than Ghibli films are.

Actually just goes to prove my point about how varied anime is...
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That's a pretty pathetic article. How come NYT thought this was worth publishing and paying the guy to write that? It's overally too stupid to get angry at. Usually, people who are most vocally dismissive of anime are the ones with zero knowledge of it. Even if they take the effort to know more about it, their initial bias stick.

I'll express what I like about anime in just one word: versatile.

It's a medium that always tries to explore new horizons and isn't afraid to take risks. A lot of television plays things a little too safe.
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Posted 5/13/17 , edited 5/13/17

LavenderMintRose wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sad to say, I do not even consider Princess Mononoke to be "anime", at least within the culture typical of otakuness. Mononoke is more of a work of art without a real constraint brought on by the need to sell, whereas TV anime aims to sell, with a great deal of detriment to the value of the work.

This is why there is a huge distaff in quality between mobile games with cash shops, despite having no business in microtransactions, to works like To The Moon.

Anime is reminiscent of earlier western cartoons in the need to merchandise.

To clarify, I think Princess Mononoke is different, in that it is a film I can recommend to everyone who is a general oscar bait film aficionado; essentially someone who claims they like "well made" films, but it has less to do with the quality of anime as a whole, and more on the quality of the work itself, especially by Hayao Miyazaki. I just do not think works like Mononoke are in anyway indicative of the current Japanese subculture of anime, not by a longshot, nor in the past, or anything else.

I think it is a bad suggestion as a work of anime, instead of a foreign film you just thought was well made.


I was actually referring to /mononoke, which is actually even less like otaku anime than Ghibli films are.

Actually just goes to prove my point about how varied anime is...


Forgive me, I misread. It is just a pet peeve of mine. I consider Studio Ghibli films more akin to anime like Sazae-San, in that they are meant for the general demographic, and not just the Otaku subculture.

That being said, I think Mononoke is a bit older, though I agree that Scums Wish may have value, and especially Show Genroku.
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LavenderMintRose wrote:
Since he obviously just picked the first alphabetical thing under "simulcasts", I can't help wondering what the article would have been like if it had been done two months earlier, and that had been ACCA.


Can't really fault the author for picking Akashic Records. It's the #2 most steamed in Japan this season. Should say that's fairly representative? https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/862700939353792513?s=03


Eh, while there's some truth to that, it's also falling into the situation where it's judging an entire medium on what's "popular." Movies like the trashy Michael Bay Transformers movies almost always (or actually always?) reach the top of the box office upon release, making hundreds of millions or even into the billions of dollars globally, yet I don't think anyone who takes movies even semi-seriously would judge all movies based on just watching one Transformers movie. Popular doesn't equal good, and popular also doesn't equal representative especially when you're talking about an entire medium. Transformers aside, even if you look at the widely agreed upon "best" movies ever it's not really fair to say that one movie, good or bad, can stand in for all movies.

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54bubbles wrote:


LavenderMintRose wrote:
Since he obviously just picked the first alphabetical thing under "simulcasts", I can't help wondering what the article would have been like if it had been done two months earlier, and that had been ACCA.


Can't really fault the author for picking Akashic Records. It's the #2 most steamed in Japan this season. Should say that's fairly representative? https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/862700939353792513?s=03


Eh, while there's some truth to that, it's also falling into the situation where it's judging an entire medium on what's "popular." Movies like the trashy Michael Bay Transformers movies almost always (or actually always?) reach the top of the box office upon release, making hundreds of millions or even into the billions of dollars globally, yet I don't think anyone who takes movies even semi-seriously would judge all movies based on just watching one Transformers movie. Popular doesn't equal good, and popular also doesn't equal representative especially when you're talking about an entire medium. Transformers aside, even if you look at the widely agreed upon "best" movies ever it's not really fair to say that one movie, good or bad, can stand in for all movies.



This. That's a good comparison.
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I'm confused. He spent the majority of the article talking about Boomerang's new streaming service. Why exactly did he have to talk about Crunchyroll? It just comes straight out of nowhere.
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so, the New York Times had an article about animation streaming services, and for Crunchyroll... the author watched one episode of "Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor" and decided all anime was garbage.

I don't even know. Faith in the world? Respect for art?

Does he even realize there are almost 900 shows on Crunchyroll?

Since he obviously just picked the first alphabetical thing under "simulcasts", I can't help wondering what the article would have been like if it had been done two months earlier, and that had been ACCA.

Someone just... find that guy and force him to watch ACCA. Make him watch Mononoke or Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju or Scums Wish. They'd like that kind of stuff.

Make them watch shoujo. Any shoujo. Show them BL, tell them it exists. Yuri, too, for that matter.

Yuri on Ice, Attack on Titan, popular things we're all used to.... somehow completely ignored.

Just... that article made me angry. I just needed to say that.


So... here's my suggestion: Post one thing you like about anime - about a specific anime, about a specific artist, about anime in general, anything that falls under the general category of anime/otaku entertainment, that you think deserves appreciation.

Here's a few, just from what's right around my desk right now:

- CLAMP's illustrations - I have a SuzaLulu desktop background, the picture that they're teasing an upcoming figure of, and a notebook with a Cardcaptor Sakura picture on it.
- Lagrange Point. Both singers (Toshiyuki Toyonaga and Genki Okawa), the character designs, the songwriting. Shy is beautiful and he is my darling. If you haven't heard them ->> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMqmWyUax0w
- Chuncolle plushies. Anime boys as fluffy birds. http://lavendermintrose.tumblr.com/post/160498362442/i-preordered-all-of-these-i-am-going-to-have-a they're just too cute.


Just... some positivity, please.



Mainstream paper thinks all anime is garbage based on one episode of some dumb fanservice show; Next thing you know they'll be declaring manga as all lolicon porn because they read a chapter of Eromanga Sensei!



Joking aside, that pisses me off, especially when most mainstream film critics adore Hayao Miyazaki and Your Name.

But to answer the question, I love anime because a lot of stories/characters are written and developed better than mainstream Western media. Especially female characters(Kurisu in Stein's Gate, Akane in Psycho Pass)


CLAMP irritates me anymore with their constant hiatuses and flipping around, but I'll probably stan them forever. The fact that they can go from dark as hell stuff like X to light and kiddy, fluffy stuff like Cardcaptor Sakura amazes me to no end. Same with Yuu Watase.

Also, the creative things I've seen in certain fandoms amazes me. some of the fanart I've seen in Touken Ranbu blows me away with how beautifully it's done.
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Popular doesn't equal good...

True. However, wasn't the author trying to compare hugely popular vintage cartoons to popular current anime? Given his background cites such cinematic artwork as "Une Femme est une Femme" perhaps he views the gags in popular anime as not avant-garde enough to be considered 'pleasurable streaming'... just a guess, given his eye-rolling with Glenn-sensei's blood gush. Imo, though, popular current cartoons from Adult Swim should have been included in his sample, to better represent similar audiences and "film language".

The author's purpose was to describe the material available for streaming on Boomerang and CR. Although he doesn't specifically state it, I think his complaint is that popular vintage anime such as Ghost in the Shell is not available in CR's catalogue as well (thus his unfounded remark on demographics).
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54bubbles wrote:


StriderShinryu wrote:
Popular doesn't equal good...

True. However, wasn't the author trying to compare hugely popular vintage cartoons to popular current anime? Given his background cites such cinematic artwork as "Une Femme est une Femme" perhaps he views the gags in popular anime as not avant-garde enough to be considered 'pleasurable streaming'... just a guess, given his eye-rolling with Glenn-sensei's blood gush. Imo, though, popular current cartoons from Adult Swim should have been included in his sample, to better represent similar audiences and "film language".

The author's purpose was to describe the material available for streaming on Boomerang and CR. Although he doesn't specifically state it, I think his complaint is that popular vintage anime such as Ghost in the Shell is not available in CR's catalogue as well (thus his unfounded remark on demographics).


Soild points. It still feels like apples and oranges to me, but I can see where you're coming from. I would think that if you're looking at it from a high minded critics point of view that you're going to be wanting to compare cinematic artwork to cinematic artwork rather than cinematic artwork to the fare of the common person. It's like a michelin star food critic going into MacDonalds and then complaining when the food doesn't hold up to what you're used to. You're just setting the comparison up with a fail state pretty much guaranteed. I'm sure we could all recommend things that actually are on CR or other streaming services that do fit with more critical acclaim (and that were popular too) but why bother asking those in the know when you're just going to pick something randomly, especially when the likely intention was to be condescending.

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Mainstream paper thinks all anime is garbage based on one episode of some dumb fanservice show; Next thing you know they'll be declaring manga as all lolicon porn because they read a chapter of Eromanga Sensei!






I don't like thinking of it as such an us-vs-them thing.

Well, besides the fact that I don't believe in "us-vs-them" ever - seriously, it's never helpful.

I want to work with things that aren't just anime. And besides my own work, I want to see artists from different media collaborating and sharing inspiration and things like that. And I want to see the artists that I like get more recognition.

Also, a lot of Western people just complain too much. They keep saying things like, "All movies are this," or "all TV shows are that" and "I wish I had something to watch that wasn't horrible".... well, you do. There are over 800 anime on Crunchyroll, and chances are, who ever you are, there are at least a dozen you'll enjoy. I want everyone, everywhere to realize that.

I also feel like good anime is just generally trapped behind bad anime that's more popular.

I just want to see Western/mainstream writers and anime writers communicating more, inspiring each others more, having more of a dialogue. I think that it would benefit both - I think that all art forms have a lot to gain and nothing to lose by communicating with other art forms. And I want to see anime grow and develop more. And I want anime to have more of an influence on other media as well.
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In my personal opinion DBZ is my favorite anime show ever made.
in CR there is little bit over 200 anime shows that people in Finland can watch.
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Mainstream paper thinks all anime is garbage based on one episode of some dumb fanservice show; Next thing you know they'll be declaring manga as all lolicon porn because they read a chapter of Eromanga Sensei!


Joking or not, what I find funny is that it's not even a dumb fanservice show. Besides their uniforms and just two moments in the first couple of episodes, with I think six episodes being out, there's little, if any, cheap fanservice to go around. And considering people have said they've liked it more in the more recent episodes it just further highlights the stupidity of judging all anime based on one episode of one anime, when people can't even seem to accurately judge that one anime on one episode.
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Just picked the first title in CR becuase its like Harry Potter and base a generalized opinion of its viewer basing on that, that is journalism at it finest That writer needs to watch more than that. That person has no clue how the anime industry works.

I wished we can comment on that article ...right on the bottom.

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I hope the reviewer gets fired
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