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Nogara-san wrote:
Mainstream paper thinks all anime is garbage based on one episode of some dumb fanservice show; Next thing you know they'll be declaring manga as all lolicon porn because they read a chapter of Eromanga Sensei!

Joking aside, that pisses me off, especially when most mainstream film critics adore Hayao Miyazaki and Your Name.

The article is about what's available for streaming. Eromanga Sensei is available on CR, but Your Name and titles from Hayao Miyazaki are not.
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Surprised there was a printed article of that, I expected it to just be from their blog section.
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54bubbles wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:
Mainstream paper thinks all anime is garbage based on one episode of some dumb fanservice show; Next thing you know they'll be declaring manga as all lolicon porn because they read a chapter of Eromanga Sensei!

Joking aside, that pisses me off, especially when most mainstream film critics adore Hayao Miyazaki and Your Name.

The article is about what's available for streaming. Eromanga Sensei is available on CR, but Your Name and titles from Hayao Miyazaki are not.


I know. I was trying(badly, sorry) to make a point how mainstream film critics will praise anime movies (usually Ghibli) but basically shit on anime series or manga.

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Nogara-san wrote:

I know. I was trying(badly, sorry) to make a point how mainstream film critics will praise anime movies (usually Ghibli) but basically shit on anime series or manga.



This is a great point. When a new Ghibli movie (or something Ghibli-esque) comes out the critical film media falls all over itself to praise it and spread the word but never makes any effort to connect it to anime in general. Heck, even in the lead up to the recent live action Ghost in the Shell it was very common to see the entertainment media referencing the "classic and enduring" original without bothering to make any connection to the medium(s) it came from outside of very general comments. They want to seem "in the know" but don't want to dirty their hands with, you know, all of that awful Anime.
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So your solution is to "make him" watch your favorite anime, and the problem would have been cured!?!1 Ha haha.. uh no.
Kind of preposterous on its face.
Usually if one is to be shown the best of anime it would be like a Miyazaki film or something really good. Not Acca.
Like it or not, Akashic records is somewhat typical of a lot of anime these days. It should be an eye-opener that some of the stuff we're watching can be pretty embarrassing if taken out of context, and I would be embarrassed if that was the first one an acquaintance saw to discover anime.

But what this really reveals is the absolute SHIT quality of so-called "journalism" today. Yeah, he almost certainly chose that show because it was either alphabetically first- or most popular (when the new episode comes out it usually is on top) and that is exactly the way all journalism is today. Do a quick internet search- pick the first thing, twenty minutes later publish article.
So if you see an article about... well anything, be extremely skeptical. What they call reporters today are a lot of young kids fresh out of college, sitting in an office, looking stuff up on the internet. Sound familiar? Yeah it's everyone here, except those people are publishing articles in NYT telling the rest of humanity what Is and what Isn't in the world. NYT is where a big chunk of America goes for knowledge. And what's the quality of that knowledge? Take their anime article- it's that quality. Shameful.
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KingKaio wrote:So your solution is to "make him" watch your favorite anime, and the problem would have been cured!?!1 Ha haha.. uh no.
Kind of preposterous on its face.
Usually if one is to be shown the best of anime it would be like a Miyazaki film or something really good. Not Acca.
Like it or not, Akashic records is somewhat typical of a lot of anime these days. It should be an eye-opener that some of the stuff we're watching can be pretty embarrassing if taken out of context, and I would be embarrassed if that was the first one an acquaintance saw to discover anime..

The article is about what's available for streaming on CR.
A lot of great anime is not available for streaming on CR.
Akashic Records was ranked #2 most streamed video in Japan (reference link previously posted).
Akashic Records is currently listed on CR's popular anime list (right next to Eromanga Sensei).
There was no fault with the author using this show as an example. Viewership basically pointed him the way.
If people are upset by these facts, work to change them.
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54bubbles wrote:


KingKaio wrote:So your solution is to "make him" watch your favorite anime, and the problem would have been cured!?!1 Ha haha.. uh no.
Kind of preposterous on its face.
Usually if one is to be shown the best of anime it would be like a Miyazaki film or something really good. Not Acca.
Like it or not, Akashic records is somewhat typical of a lot of anime these days. It should be an eye-opener that some of the stuff we're watching can be pretty embarrassing if taken out of context, and I would be embarrassed if that was the first one an acquaintance saw to discover anime..

The article is about what's available for streaming on CR.
A lot of great anime is not available for streaming on CR.
Akashic Records was ranked #2 most streamed video in Japan (reference link previously posted).
Akashic Records is currently listed on CR's popular anime list (right next to Eromanga Sensei).
There was no fault with the author using this show as an example. Viewership basically pointed him the way.
If people are upset by these facts, work to change them.


First of all, I don't actually like any of those shows I mentioned (including ACCA), I mentioned those because I thought they would be more to the tastes of a NYT reviewer.

If I showed them my favorites (Marginal #4, Starmyu, Touken Ranbu, Code Geass), they'd probably react about the same as they did to that.

The issue here is that they shouldn't assume they can judge all anime by one show. Even if it is the most popular show. There are over 800 titles available on Crunchyroll - maybe not in Finland, but definitely in New York - and it's just foolish to think all of those shows are the same. The least they could do is ask someone for recommendations. That's basic research. A quick google search would turn up tons of overviews of the entire season, not to mention catalog titles. They didn't bother, and that's lazy, dismissive, and disrespectful.

I mentioned ACCA specifically because two months ago, it would have been equally prominently placed, and it would be so much to the tastes of a NYT reviewer. It looks "mature"; the fictional setting, Badon, is very accurately and realistically based on New York, and it's not at all what an "outsider" would expect from anime. I don't think it's really all that good, but from the first half of the series, it can easily be mistaken for quality (I know I did).

Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju and Mononoke are other examples that, I think, if such a person were to watch them, they would have to acknowledge the breadth of style and subject matter in anime.
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Sheesh. That like going onto netflix and picking a show at random and saying well all the show must be like that!

It still amazes me how biased people still are towards animation.

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For me, the fictionalization of anime pulls me into a place where I feel happy and safe. In anime TV shows, everything is accepted regardless it is a shoujo girl's secret or the hero's fatal fear. When I watch anime, I feel safe from the people who don't accept others. Warmth and happiness come with finding your niche in the "oddball" genre that is anime. Anime isn't quite like anything else and that is why I love it so much.

In accordance to the article, things like this make me sad. Anime is different from normal stuff and if you don't see the right thing first then you might be tempted to turn away. People don't normally accept anime as normal TV because they pass it off as pornographic or bad, like the article said. I normally choose to ignore articles like these because I know the article is silly and I know the importance anime has to me. Whether this writer blatantly stereotyped the genre or just doesn't like anime, only my opinion matters to me. I can't change what they wrote so I just have to know what I believe is right for me.
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When you walk into a store for the very first time and stop at the prominent display at the entryway, isn't it a good assumption that is what the store is selling? No different for CR. When accessing CR streaming services through the PS4 (which is a popular method) who in their right mind is going to think "Hold on, I have to Google everything I'm looking at because it's not self-explanatory."

The responsibility ultimately lies with CR to communicate and sell its services effectively.


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When you walk into a store for the very first time and stop at the prominent display at the entryway, isn't it a good assumption that is what the store is selling?


Who in their right mind would think a store only sells one thing?

Do grocery stores only sell fruit? Do electronics stores only sell phones? Do department stores only sell makeup and handbags?

Or might a bookstore have a section of cookbooks, not just bestselling fiction and self-help? Might a record store (or iTunes or Spotify, for that matter) have classical music and soundtracks, not just Top 40 things?

It doesn't take a genius to think, "Is this really all there is?" before assuming that. It just takes basic respect.
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54bubbles wrote:

When you walk into a store for the very first time and stop at the prominent display at the entryway, isn't it a good assumption that is what the store is selling?


Who in their right mind would think a store only sells one thing?

Do grocery stores only sell fruit? Do electronics stores only sell phones? Do department stores only sell makeup and handbags?...

True. CR sells anime. Akashic Records isn't the only show. But don't pretend Akashic Records doesn't qualify as anime because you or the author didn't like it. Even if it doesn't represent many viewers' ideal, CR chose to display this show to represent popular anime on their site.
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54bubbles wrote:


LavenderMintRose wrote:


54bubbles wrote:

When you walk into a store for the very first time and stop at the prominent display at the entryway, isn't it a good assumption that is what the store is selling?


Who in their right mind would think a store only sells one thing?

Do grocery stores only sell fruit? Do electronics stores only sell phones? Do department stores only sell makeup and handbags?...

True. CR sells anime. Akashic Records isn't the only show. But don't pretend Akashic Records doesn't qualify as anime because you or the author didn't like it. Even if it doesn't represent many viewers' ideal, CR chose to display this show to represent popular anime on their site.


"Apples are not the only food. Apples alone are not an accurate representation of all food" =/= "Apples are not food".
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News at 11. Stupid garbage westerner that doesn't know anything about Anime/Manga w/e shits all over the genre without actually doing any research.
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Meh. I'm use to this already that I would just let it go. Some people just don't know what they are talking about. Sadly, not everyone in the world is completely understanding.

Oh, well, more anime for me!
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