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Posted 5/23/17

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44 million only if you count in Russia and Turkey. About 16 million Muslim live in the EU.


If I were counting Turkey and Russia it would be around 130 million


https://web.archive.org/web/20110209094904/http://www.pewforum.org/The-Future-of-the-Global-Muslim-Population.aspx


Read your own link.

Russia will continue to have the largest Muslim population (in absolute numbers) in Europe in 2030.

They mentioned Russia as part of Europe more than once by the way. I just don't want to quote all of the lines.
And when I say Turkey in this context I mean (of course) the European part (one part of Turkey is in Asia, the other in Europe)
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srlan23 wrote:


Read your own link.

Russia will continue to have the largest Muslim population (in absolute numbers) in Europe in 2030.

They mentioned Russia as part of Europe more than once by the way. I just don't want to quote all of the lines.
And when I say Turkey in this context I mean (of course) the European part (one part of Turkey is in Asia, the other in Europe)


That's odd, I thought Russia was part of Asia. But even then, adding Russia's 9 million to 16 million isn't going to come up 44 mil, and the wiki article I pulled that archive from said it excluded Turkey.

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Posted 5/23/17 , edited 5/23/17

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Sorry but I have to disagree somewhat you look at the top 10 mass shooting in the US and none had anything to do with gangs or drugs and more with mental health issues


That would be because you looked up the 'top ten mass shootings', obviously its going to be in terms of casualties. The vast majority of mass shootings ends with just a few people injured, not killed.
Although I suppose it depends on which definition of 'mass shooting' you use. The media likes to change it some times depending on what narrative they are trying to push.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/mass-shootings-tracker-analysis-us-gun-control-reddit


Few of the incidents resembled the kinds of planned massacres in schools, churches and movie theaters that have attracted intense media and political attention. Instead, the analysis, defined purely by the number of victims injured, revealed that many were part of the broader burden of everyday gun violence on economically struggling neighborhoods.


I had a great response to this and my wifi dropped (thank you comcast)

I kind of agree to me you have to go by intent did the shooter intend to kill as many people as possible or were they caught in the crossfire?
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I continue to be surprised that people don't realize we're still in the midst of the largest humanitarian crisis in modern history with the Syrian civil war. Its not like there's a mass migration of refugees into Europe just for the fun of it. As long as you have Assad, you're going to have this. And as long as you have Russia and Iran backing Assad, you're going to have Assad.

And as long as you have such a chaotic movement of human population you're going to have those trying to take advantage of it.

Borders and immigration aren't the problem, they're only a symptom.




Agree. Assad has to go, otherwise this war won't stop. Maybe completely destroying the IS and every group which is against him would result in "peace" but not for long and then you have another war. Sometimes it feels like people already forgot that the war in Syria is a civil war, started by Assad.
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Posted 5/23/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


srlan23 wrote:


Read your own link.

Russia will continue to have the largest Muslim population (in absolute numbers) in Europe in 2030.

They mentioned Russia as part of Europe more than once by the way. I just don't want to quote all of the lines.
And when I say Turkey in this context I mean (of course) the European part (one part of Turkey is in Asia, the other in Europe)


That's odd, I thought Russia was part of Asia. But even then, adding Russia's 9 million to 16 million isn't going to come up 44 mil, and the wiki article I pulled that archive from said it excluded Turkey.



The article says that currently 16.4 million Muslims live in Russia and (from Wikipedia) about 10 million live in the European part of Turkey and you also have to add the countries which aren't part of the EU (Swiss, Norway etc.).
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runec wrote:





I continue to be surprised that people don't realize we're still in the midst of the largest humanitarian crisis in modern history with the Syrian civil war. Its not like there's a mass migration of refugees into Europe just for the fun of it. As long as you have Assad, you're going to have this. And as long as you have Russia and Iran backing Assad, you're going to have Assad.

And as long as you have such a chaotic movement of human population you're going to have those trying to take advantage of it.

Borders and immigration aren't the problem, they're only a symptom.




The vast majority of migrants are not Syrian or refugees though.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684/Six-in-ten-migrants-not-entitled-to-asylum-says-EU-chief.html


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I had a great response to this and my wifi dropped (thank you comcast)

I kind of agree to me you have to go by intent did the shooter intend to kill as many people as possible or were they caught in the crossfire?

Its kind of hard to prove someone was just 'caught in the crossfire' when it comes to mass shootings.
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Looking forward to the week of excuses from liberals excusing their voter block from another nasty terrorist attack.
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Looking forward to the week of excuses from liberals excusing their voter block from another nasty terrorist attack.


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/866988283615641600
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Posted 5/23/17 , edited 5/23/17

srlan23 wrote:


runec wrote:

I continue to be surprised that people don't realize we're still in the midst of the largest humanitarian crisis in modern history with the Syrian civil war. Its not like there's a mass migration of refugees into Europe just for the fun of it. As long as you have Assad, you're going to have this. And as long as you have Russia and Iran backing Assad, you're going to have Assad.

And as long as you have such a chaotic movement of human population you're going to have those trying to take advantage of it.

Borders and immigration aren't the problem, they're only a symptom.




Agree. Assad has to go, otherwise this war won't stop. Maybe completely destroying the IS and every group which is against him would result in "peace" but not for long and then you have another war. Sometimes it feels like people already forgot that the war in Syria is a civil war, started by Assad.


You guys realize that most of the ones fleeing into Europe are from africa right? Syrians are but a small percent
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Posted 5/23/17 , edited 5/23/17

redokami wrote:


srlan23 wrote:


runec wrote:

I continue to be surprised that people don't realize we're still in the midst of the largest humanitarian crisis in modern history with the Syrian civil war. Its not like there's a mass migration of refugees into Europe just for the fun of it. As long as you have Assad, you're going to have this. And as long as you have Russia and Iran backing Assad, you're going to have Assad.

And as long as you have such a chaotic movement of human population you're going to have those trying to take advantage of it.

Borders and immigration aren't the problem, they're only a symptom.




Agree. Assad has to go, otherwise this war won't stop. Maybe completely destroying the IS and every group which is against him would result in "peace" but not for long and then you have another war. Sometimes it feels like people already forgot that the war in Syria is a civil war, started by Assad.


You guys realize that most of the ones fleeing into Europe are from africa right? Syrians are but a small percent


I know, still doesn't change the fact that Assad has to go.
Edit: That's also the reason why more than half of the asylum requests this year (in Germany) were rejected. So the people who are allowed to stay usually have a good reason.
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Posted 5/23/17

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I know, still doesn't change the fact that Assad has to go.
Edit: That's also the reason why more than half of the asylum requests this year (in Germany) were rejected. So the people who are allowed to stay usually have a good reason.


Does asylum rejection actually mean they get deported 100% of the time?
Even if it does, the lack of tight border control seems to be counter intuitive.
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The vast majority of migrants are not Syrian or refugees though.


A 40/60 split is not a "vast majority" and I think we both, and the EU, can agree this would be easier to deal with if you reduced the influx by 40%.





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Posted 5/23/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


srlan23 wrote:


I know, still doesn't change the fact that Assad has to go.
Edit: That's also the reason why more than half of the asylum requests this year (in Germany) were rejected. So the people who are allowed to stay usually have a good reason.


Does asylum rejection actually mean they get deported 100% of the time?
Even if it does, the lack of tight border control seems to be counter intuitive.


No, it doesn't. Basically because our government isn't willing to spend more money on it .
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Looking forward to the week of excuses from liberals excusing their voter block from another nasty terrorist attack.


In response to the excuses thrown around to slag a large block of people based on an extreme minority, I'm sure it'll be a classy exchange.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/manchester-attack-piers-morgan-arena-muslims-hate-mongering-good-morning-britian-coronation-street-a7751346.html

Pierce Morgan being accused of hate mongering for stating that Muslims should watch for and root out extremists when talking about the attack.
Trump said something similar (and 'worse') during the Saudi Arabia speech, yet there were people on CNN saying it was a speech 'Obama would have given' with its political correctness. What a difference a day makes.
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